UFC 79 Results
By: Kris Karkoski | Dec 30, 2007
- Georges St. Pierre def. Matt Hughes via submission - Round 2, 4:54
- Chuck Liddell def. Wanderlei Silva via unanimous decision
- Eddie Sanchez def. Soa Palalei via TKO - Round 3, 3:24
- Lyoto Machida def. Rameau Sokoudjou via submission - Round 2, 4:20
- Rich Clementi def. Melvin Guillard via submission - Round 1, 4:40
- James Irvin def. Luis Cane via disqualification - Round 1, 1:51
- Manny Gamburyan def. Nate Mohr via submission - Round 1, 1:31
- Dean Lister def. Jordan Radev via unanimous decision
- Roan Carneiro def. Tony DeSouza via TKO - Round 2, 3:30
- Mark Bocek def. Doug Evans via unanimous decision
how sad to say that the best fight was the first televised. GSP/Liddell/Machido/Sanchez completely dominated. Wow, thank you Rich Cleminti for gving me a fight to feel good about. I dislike Melvin Guillard much. good night, peeps.
Silva you dumb ****!!!! Funny how best PRIDE fighters are getting dominated in the UFC.
Gsp is the man! Silva has a Homer Simson chin. I thought Chuck as going to kill silva while still on his feet…Randy is a greedy little b****!
6 FOR 9, not too bad ( from my answers to your polls)
Hughes is a washed up old farmer
I was 5 and 5 on my picks. That’s the worst I’ve ever done. I am so glad I don’t put money on these things. You’re right Mex. Hughes said it himself,”I only have a couple of fights left”. The end is near.
Hughes is finished and that’s only because GSP is so dominant, which reminds me, how in the hell did GSP ever lose to Serra?
Sokoudjou looked like dog-crap, so did that Pelalei guy.
Clementi, I hated him on the TUF show, but he redeemed himself in my eyes with these comments..
“…there’s nothing worse than a guy who talks **** and doesn’t back it up..&..he’s just mad that I validated somethng that was already known 6 years ago, that I was the better man…”
Great stuff Clementi.
Sucks for Mohr, Nate needs to fight other strikers, he looks pretty good when that happens.
I fel bad for Hughes……well at least Chuck won!
I was surprised by the total dominance that both Chuck and Machida displayed. I would imagine that is the next light heavy fight before Forrest and Rampage? I wonder where Melvin jumped Rich after they left the building???
GSP is the best fighter in the world………….Emelianenko has to fight to keep that honor!
1. Emelianenko
2. BJ Pen
3. Anderson Silva (could be 4th)
4. Rampage (could be 3rd)
5. Chuck Lidell
Too bad Wanderlei Silva lost. I accpted much more from him than keeping his distance and striking haymakers with chuck. He needed to use Muay Tai, get in close and ring in some knees like he did to rampage in pride. I must say I noticed he is NOT better than chuck. He needs to be more versatile (which he WAS in pride).
Many people underestimate the power and skill of Anderson Silva. Anderson silva could put Chuck Liddell to sleep very fast, even with a 20 pounds difference (or more, chuck cuts allot). That is, IF chuck keeps it standing, which he will. Anderson has superior striking.
liddell is the f***ing man how dint silva go down haha that guy took some hits.
ide like to see gsp fight anderson silva wat a fight that would be,
looks like hughes is guna retire, or maybe he could fight matt serra after gsp unless gsp kills him that is!
and a little note to pointblank silva dint get in close to chuck cos he couldn`t once again another pride fighter not up to the task in ufc.
happy new year peeps.
Silva did not try to get in close. Period.
He wanted to bang with Liddell, Not press him against the cage non stop and knee him, which would of been a slower and maybe boring match until one knee connects.
Silva did not once charge on Liddell to get a hold of him, not because he was scared or he couldn’t, but because he wanted to give a Balsout Hands Blasing Showdown (which Liddell is so good at).
I live in Montreal, Quebec, Canada. I’ve met GSP in the city while he was training (jogging). Even knowing GSP is a very, very good fighter… Silva would most definetaly win this match.
Anderson Silva can/will dominate GSP standing, and on the ground (especialyl from his back). I also doubt GSP can deal with Anderson Silva’s Muay Tai, he will most probably go down like Rich Franklin, unless he gets Anderson Silva to the mat. Then again, Silva is a monster on the mat.
Forget it.
The only fighter in the ufc that has a chance to beating Silva in his division is Henderson, and Henderson is not a natural Midleweight. (the midleweight Pride division is 205 pounds Not to get confused with UFC 185 pounds).
Denis Kang could maybe be another fighter to be able to beat silva (this is a big MAYBE).
Get Denis Kang in the UFC NOW! (Robbie Lawler should get another chance too)
GSP is the no 1 pound for pound guy in the world.hes has fought and beaten all the top guys around him (except serra).anyone who can dominate a guy like hughes like that deserves that honor.
lmao!
YOU my sir, know Nothing about Mixed Martial Arts.
Hughes is not the best nor is he close therefore beating Hughes does not make you #1. Far from it.
Serra is Nothing.
The only noticable victory is BJ Pen.
If GSP goes to Midlewieght and beats Anderson Silva (because Henderson *will* lose to Silva), THEN he is #2.
Emelianenko is #1. By FAR.
Emelianenko #1
Anderson Silva #2
St-Pierre #5
http://www.fighting-mma.com/top10/pound-4-pound.php
Anderson Silva #1
Emelianenko #2
St-Pierre #3
http://www.mmaplayground.com/top-10-mma-fighters.aspx
To all the Matt Hughes lovers out there; reality check! Hughes is a vastly overrated fighter who dodges fights and pretends that he was hit in the groin twice every fight is not much of a fighter at all. The TUF shows revealed his gross lack of character that Dana White had worked so hard to hide for the last several years. A one dimensional wrestler does not a mixed martial artist make. For those of you with short term memory, let’s recount. Hughes was probably unconscious from a triangle when he “won” the belt initially. He was completely dominated in all 3 GSP fights in all rounds, and in the 1st fight he salvaged a win with a moderately good transition to an armbar. He was completely and totally dominated in both fights with BJ Penn, losing the 1st fight decidedly. In the 2nd Penn fight, Hughes was dominated in the 1st 2 rounds (which were probably both 10-8 rounds for GSP) and only won the fight because Penn gassed out from a (prefight) rib injury that impaired his breathing. Let’s call a spade a spade. The guy can wrestle on a farm and pass out bibles to people that don’t want them, but he can’t fight in the UFC.
Hughes held the title for years and years to say that he is an over rated and a horrible fighter is just stupid. I will admit that he is probably done fighting but it’s the same for any fighter that just relies on one thing(Highes wrestleing), now you have to be good at everything. Fedor,GSP and Anderson are monsters because they are very well rounded. But come on give the respect Hughes deserves.
lionfann- That was actually a pretty tasteless post and as a Matt Hughes fan I am offended. I am proud of you that you have seen some of Matt Hughes major fights. The dude has won 43 fights opposed to losing 6. GSP has his number plain and simple. It sucks, but it happens. Matt Hughes is the most dominating welterweight in the history of the UFC period. If you dont like him….cool, but dont sit there and say he ducks fights and is overrated and base it on a couple fights. I personally think he should fight Serra and retire. Go back and watch some early Matt Hughes fights. The man is a ledgend.
Lopez, lets not forget that many of these UFC fighers were PRIDE fighters. Liddell for example, and rampage also.
ICEMAN F***** up silvaa gsp raped hughes but i wonder who will chuck fight next and f*** hughes
Matt hughes is with out a doubt one of the best fighters to ever step in the cage. It sucks that he lost to gsp but if a fighter won every single fight yea he would be great but boring. With hughes he knows he could lose and when he steps in the cage the man fights like an animal if he wins he wins cause he trains hard and if he loses he does it with class and grace the man is a true fighter and loves the sport and that’s what makes him great I wish all the fighters in the ufc had the class he does cause makes the sport worth watching in a competative way not a barbaric one eveb though he lost matt hughes is a true champion with or without a belt
A Hughes fan I am not. I did expect more from him last night but GSP is the “new age of MMA”, As far as Hughes being over rated, you are nuts. He may have been out when he BEAT Newton….. That is why they had a rematch - which Hughes BEAT HIS ASS. He is no where near his prime anymore, but when he was he was a dominant force that I wanted to see lose.
so the only noticeable win GSP has had is BJ point blank???? what about paryisian,trigg,koscheck,hughes twice and sherk?? and the guy is only 26.as for being P4P the best it is just opinion but i do think you have to be active to hold onto that crown unlike fedor!!! your comments about hughes are far off the mark as hes one of the best champs the ufc has seen.
lionfann is a moron who has absolutely no idea what the hell he is talking about.
Hughes has been in 12 title fights, and won 9 of them. Lionfann, you are an idiot.
“…Hughes is a vastly overrated fighter who dodges fights…”
Who in the hell did Hughes ever dodge????
“…Penn gassed out from a (prefight) rib injury…”
Was that the same (prefight) rib injury he had when he gassed against GSP too? Wake he F up, you really know nothing.
“…The guy can wrestle on a farm and pass out bibles to people that don’t want them, but he can’t fight in the UFC…”
How is it being insane?
“…Let’s call a spade a spade….”
O.K., you are a complete moron.
crappy card for the most part. big fan of GSP. but for sure he needs to fight like this all the time. not once in awhile. theres no way he should lose to matt serra. and he wont in rematch. as for pride fighters being crap ? ummmm where is Rampage from ? i do believe pride lol. so for the dummies that didnt know that, tsk tsk. before speaking your mind about ****, know your stats. as for emelianenko being the best ? he hasnt fought in ufc. if and when he does, will he be another marko cro crop ? lol. that dude on the fast train to nowhere. so yeah if emelianenko wanted to fight the best, hed be in ufc. seems to me like he avoiding it to fight inferior fighters, that he knows he can dominate. im sure we never gonna see him in ufc. he will stay in europe fighting inferior guys. as for the best fighter in the world right now ? my vote goes to anderson silva. the dude is awesome. happy new year all.
lmao at accomando quality bit of writeing,
an i dont think anderson silva would destroy gsp to be honest pointblank. silva has only really beaten franklin in the ufc all his other fights have been good dont get me wrong but he hasn`t beaten the quality gsp has, but lets be honest this fight is prob never guna happen even tho it would prob be as big as chuck an wandi.
i really hope hendo beats silva cos if he doesn`t i cant see any1 else beating him unless silva steps up or the count can win his first few fights then knock him out early,
“…i really hope hendo beats silva cos if he doesn`t i cant see any1 else beating him unless silva steps up or the count can win his first few fights then knock him out early,..”
Lots of “quality” you have there, and I don’t care if you are typing on your phone, no excuse for that reject “any1″ type crap.
to be honest mate i`ll write how i want, just stick to leaveing comments bout the story cos u talk alot of sence sometimes
I’m not sure why everyone is arguing over the fact that GSP is abetter fighter now than Hughes. Matt Hughes could still probably take out a Koscheck or Serra(He better take out Serra). I’m not a huge hughes fan but he still is an elite fighter and could probably fight another 5 or 6 years. He just has nothing left to prove. I think that Hughes,Gracie, and GSP are all on the same level if they were still in their prime. So as much as I hate to admit it Hughes will retire out of boredom unless he can fight a couple more grudge matches. If it is the end for Hughes he’ll make a great embassador for the UFC and will make an even better teacher for those young fighter who will take his place. Congrats on a great career. As for GSP…….I said it before……he’s the best p4p in the world right now and an Anderson Silva GSP fight may happen if Hendo doesn’t take him out(Not Likely). It would be a dream fight. Right now Anderson is on a better tear but his competion has been much weaker that georges. I’m not saying he fought easy fights but GSP has beat everyone of importance in the light and welterweight divisions(except Serra but give it a month or two). Emelianenko hasn’t fought in a year so he gets no consideration.GSP is P4P the best fighter in the world.
Pointblank needs to do a little research………..I’m afraid that your the one whose doesn’t know MMA. Your spouting off because your fighters lost plain and simple! This is a place to discuss what happend not to discuss what could happen! Hughes lost………Silva lost…………GSP won…..get over it and move on! I had to watch GSP lose to Serra……….as much as I hate it these things happen! Thats MMA!
belly:
Hughes is NOT one of the best the UFC has seen. Hes one of the LONGEST TITLE HOLDING CHAMPION.
He is not well rounded. He has NO striking what so ever. So yeah, hes not that great of a fighter. The new age of well rounded fighters like Anderson or GSP destroy fighters like hughes.
Serioulsy Shawn Sherk? Parysian? KOSHCHECK? dude.
How can you ever say Fedor is not #1? This guy has never lost and has fighted fighters with over 100 pounds weight difference and never lost one fight. SEMY SCHILT fight. Fedor is amazingly well rounded. He DESERVES that title. NOT GSP.
BS
Although GSP could become #1 ONLY if fedor loses significantly AND GSP wins against Anderson Silva in Middleweight Bout (which GSP CAN do because he cuts ALLOT of weight rouglhy 20 pounds)
Then! he`ll be #2 or #1
Right now I say hes #4, right after quinton jackson
Chuck:
I understand wha you mean, however I just wanted to state that silva did not use all he has (getting in close and using the muay tai clinch he did not even try once he wanted to bang).
Chuck on the other hand impressed me allot! Spinning back fist! 2 takwdowns 0_0 (to score points but still! its chuck!) Even though I know hes a good wrestler.
Btw, sorry for going all out saying you know nothing, i had drank a little ITS THE HOLIDAYS!!
=D
johnboy
Silva will beat henderson.
GSP will go up to middleweight with some time (when he has the belt for some time then loses it, maybe in 1-2 years, or less, who knows it goes fast.)
He has to go up, hes a natural middleweight.
As for Anderson not destroying GSP, I agree. However GSP does not have the striking accuracy Silva has, and especially not the speed.
GSP is very well rounded, but I think Silva is better. By the way, Silva has beaten in other organizations:
-Jeremy Horn (much better fighter than Franklin, world class fighter)
-Carlos Newton (need I say anything here?)
GSP has not yet beaten a fighter as well round as Jeremy Horn.
This is only my opinion
except the BJ Pen fight
pointblank……Parysian is one of the best welterweights in the world. I also still want to know what fights Hughes has ducked? Being the WW champion for so long makes him overrated? Carlos Newton is a bad fighter? Im not feelin ya man….I dont really know how you can say that. Even Matt Hughes haters know that he was the best….he is past his prime, but he can still stand in there with the best of them. He would kill Serra…now and 50 years from now. If you are gonna question any overrated fighter…it would have to be Serra. But im looking foward to you answering my questions.
Serra is not overrated. Most people never gave him any credit for his tilte championship. They thought it was a fluke.
Paysian is not one of the best fighters of the world. Sorry.
Hey pointBlank, are you really saying that Serra’s win over GSP was NOT a fluke? reality check time, GSP is going to destroy Serra in rematch. And by the by everyone Hughes is only 34 and I fail to see how he is past his prime. GSP is simply the better fighter; faster, stronger, and with better skills.
Thumper
Dont assume what I think.
NO I do not think serra should get credit. I was just answering to Fixxer that Serra is NOT overrated.
GSP is the best pound for pound fighter in the world, and Anderson Sylvia is second in my book. If Emelianenko is so good why did he not sign with the UFC where the best MMA fighters are. Even all the Pride Fighters are gettting beat down with the exception of Rampage. I wish Randy could fight Emelianenko and show the world that he is much better. even at 44 yrs. of age. Randy has traded leather with far better fighters.
Good performance by Chuck and good job by Sylvia for standing three rounds. I think Chuck is starting to loose his KO abilities with age. But still one of the best KO artists.
you didnt answer my question about who Matt Hughes was ducking? You must know more than me so please enlighten me.
Nico says: Randy has traded leather with far better fighters.
Oh please. I wont even argue with you seing how ignorant you are.
Be sure to know what your talking about. Emelianenko is a beast.
I am not assuming anything which is why I asked the question; stop being a knee jerk reactionary and back up your statements, or stop making them all together. You said,
“Serra is not overrated. Most people never gave him any credit for his tilte championship. They thought it was a fluke.”
My knowledge of english indicates that this statements means his championship is not a fluke. Which he earned by knocking out GSP.
Feel free to clarify at anytime.
im not tryin to talk ****…I just want to know….You are entitled to your opinion…its an interesting one, but its yours. Karo is a stud man. He whooped up on Serra and would be a good matchup against GSP now. He has improved so much as a fighter. I dont like him, but he can fight. He just needs to learn to finish.
Fedor (good wins):
-Hong-Man Choi (7 feet tall)
-Matt Lindland (he could beat Couture, very similar fighters)
-Mark Hunt (need I say anything here?)
-Mark Coleman (Twice)
-Mirko Filipovi? (in his PRIME)
-Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (Twice)
-Kevin Randleman
-Kazuyuki Fujita (very good japanes fighter)
-Semy Schilt (7 feet tall, a monster kickboxer)
-Renato Sobral
-Heath Herring
-Ricardo Arona
No loses, except a TKO cut injury.
And he finished every single fight, some exceptions.
Couture (good wins):
-Tim Sylvia (Decision, very good performance though)
-Chuck Liddell (Twice, which he LOST to once)
-Vitor Belfort (3 times, which he LOST to once)
-Tito Ortiz (bah)
-Ricco Rodriguez (LOSS)
-Josh Barnett (LOSS)
-Pedro Rizzo
-Kevin Randleman
-Jeremy Horn
I do think most will agree Emelianenko has beaten MUCH better fighters. Period.
I agree Fixxer =)
Karo and GSP would be a really good fight nut I have to think that GSP could stay outside and dominate the striking. He has also proven very difficult to take down; but then Karos Judo throws really seem to get to the guys that have proven hard to take down.
And in other news Emelianenko fights Choi Hong-man, what a joke.
some of you guys in here are so ignorant, im sure not many of you will ever even be able to grasp what these fighters go through.
Matt Hughes, may be getting older, but is still one of the most dominating welterweights ever, and Wanderlei Silva didnt look up to par, but remember, that Chuck Liddell is one of the best stikers in MMA.
Why don’t you fight “em if they’re such punks?
Thumper:
Serra is not overrated. Most people never gave him any credit for his tilte championship. They thought it was a fluke.”
My knowledge of english indicates that this statements means his championship is not a fluke.
**
You seem to have trouble understanding.
I was only carifying what FIXXER said: If you are gonna question any overrated fighter…it would have to be Serra.
Now having read his reply. I ONLY told fixxer that Serra was never overrated. A fighter does not have to be OVERATED to win a fight.
You make no sense.
Thank you for clarifying poinBlank, this was why I asked the question.
Anyway Emelianenko doesn’t always finish fights both the Nogueira fights were decisions as was the fight with Semy and Babalu. and Arona and Mirko
Point blank- are you HIGH? Matt Lindland could NOT beat Randy Couture. The list of fighters you put on your list that Fedor has beaten could just as easily been beaten by Randy. Now had Fedor ever fought Barnett, that would also go into Fedors loss column. And just to be fair, you said Randy only lost to Chuck once, it was twice. And- his loss to Belfort was a freak cut on his eyelid, he beat Belfort to death the other 2 times they fought. You cannot seriously tell me that Choi was a game opponent for Fedor- the “TOUGHEST MAN IN THE WORLD” I am a Fedor fan, but he hasn’t fought anyone in his same league in years. I would say the same thing about Couture if he fought Lindland or Choi. You also forgot to add Gonzaga’s demolition to Couture’s list.
P.S. FiX, you know you’re right!!!!!
no problem =P
Happy New Year ALL!
Thumper; Anyway Emelianenko doesn’t always finish fights both the Nogueira fights were decisions as was the fight with Semy and Babalu. and Arona and Mirko
Your right. Silly me.
scotchydow:
Point blank- are you HIGH? YES IM HIGH ITS NEW YEARS EVE FFS!
I agree with your reply, except: Now had Fedor ever fought Barnett, that would also go into Fedors loss column.
No.
=)
Oh and YES Matt Lindland COULD beat Randy.
Anyone can beat anyone on any night; that is one of the great things about MMA. Who thought Randy would come out and knock down Tim Silva with a right hand in the first few seconds of their fight. With those little gloves almost anyone has a punchers chance.
Superman or spider man……………who would win?
That’s Marvel vs DC; don’t be silly.
Match #1 - Not a fan of Clementi, but he backed up his smack and made Melvin look like a punk.
Match #2 - Machida is so under-rated. I don’t want to hear anyone ever sing Sokoudjou’s praises for a long time. I bought into the hype and won’t be fooled again. Machida should be on everyone’s radar in 2008, he is legit.
Match #3 - Eddie!!! He’ll never be a title contender, but he won me as a fan when he was the ONLY Heavyweight to step up and take on Cro-Cop in his debut. It wasn’t pretty, but he took care of business bloodying up the man from down under.
Match #4 - Chuck!! This was a much better fight than I originally thought. The 1st round wasn’t too exciting, but then Chuck went to town. Silva is a tough mother and can take a beating. I think Liddell hurt his hand from punching so much in the 3rd round when he backed off. Wanderlei, call Rich Franklin, he knows a few good doctors that can put your face back together.
Match #5 - GS f’n P!! What a totally dominating and satisfying win that was to witness. Hughes will never again wear a UFC belt and has one foot in the retirement grave. Serra, watch out dude. GSP is coming for you and he’s gonna’ make you wish you never beat him the 1st go around when he’s done with you.
Great Card, Great Year for MMA and the UFC in particular. Happy New Year’s All.
cant understand all you american gsp fans.like hughes or not, gsp is a french canuck. where does your allegiance lie?
WhaT?
Well, I’m a Canadian residing in the United States. I don’t cheer for a fighter based only on nationality but by talent and style. This fight was in Las Vegas, and GSP got a larger applause during his entrance than the American Hughes. Clearly the majority of the fans were American and they too weren’t basing their allegiance on nationality. You’ll be glad to know that you’ll have many years of being able to cheer against GSP. Thankfully the majority of MMA fans aren’t as narrow minded as yourself and cheer/recognize talent (GSP & Anderson Silva who aren’t American, and Couture, Jackson, Sherk & Serra who are American — not to mention many, many more fighters both domestic and foreign).
Slinger, Liddell did not come from Pride. He only fought in Pride 3 times and two of those were under the UFC banner in an attempt to get a fight against Silva. The UFC lost a million dollars on a bet that night.
As for Hughes being washed up, sometimes you come across someone who has your number like Jackson/Liddell, Ortiz/Shamrock, Hughes/GSP, Silva/Franklin or maybe even Couture/Liddell after Liddell figured him out. Hughes should retire only because a rematch with GSP is too risky and he should only be fighting the best fighters so he doesn’t tarnish his legacy. He said himself he doesn’t fight for money anymore. All of GSP’s wins have been very convincing with the possible exceptions of the Karo and Penn fights. I felt a large part of the reason he lost the Serra fight was because he got hit behind the ear almost on the back of the head and that caused him to lose his equilibrium and he couldn’t recover in time. I’m not trying to make excuses for him I just think he got hit by a fairly unusual punch.
I’m tired of the “look at how Pride fighters are getting killed in the UFC” comments.
These are people who apparently never watched Pride and have no idea that there is a big difference in the rules and even the fighting area, ie cage vs ring, is a whole different world.
The fighters from both organizations are incredible athletes and have done a great job promoting the sport.
The one thing I miss about Pride was the absolute respect given to all fighters from the Japanese crowd. I would love to have seen a live even there. However, I have no desire to sit next to a drunken bunch of idiots here to try and watch a good fight.
f***france.com
fock YOU
hughes is still in his prime .clearly gsp has his #.
CHRIS LEBEN IS THE BEST SO UHHHHHHHHHHH
haha good joke john
Regarding my previous post, I didn’t say Matt Hughes was a horrible fighter. I said he is vastly overrated. I’ll concede that he was dominant (in the fights he took) until he got to BJ Penn and GSP. As far as Matt or any fighter dodging fights; it isn’t something you’d learn from watching “The Ultimate Fighter” or purchasing an occasional pay-per-view. To anyone I offended, my apologies. This will be my final post.
New posters get soooooo upset when they piss off the natives. Lionsfan?????? Is that the lions den?????? OVERRATED!!!!!!! The only fight Ken Shamrock can make any money at anymore is his own brother (and yes I would pay for that.) As far as you calling everyone who disagrees with you “casual fans” (not in so many words, but that’s what I gathered out of your “last post”) I personally have been a fan from the get go, and know a lot of these guys are deep fans, sooooooo if you can’t take the heat- get out of the Daily.
hope matt go and plant some …..corn……for guillard shut up and fight………and for silva fell bad for him……for chuck…got away with one but dont fight….rampage again……….
FTW:
Silva would have most probably won if this was a 5 round fight.
Liddell was almost gassed in the end of round 3. He kept looking at the clock.
Silva is a cardio machine and would have came back in the 4th round BLAZING. Liddell would have lost.
any thoughts?
I think I would agree with you PB. I am one of the (I guess few) believers that think that Silva won round 2(decisevly) I think Chuck hits a lot harder than it looks though. His opponents faces are always so torn up. I am a self propheced “hater” of the Ice, but I tip my hat to Chuck, because he did win the 3 round fight. Hopefully we will get to see the 5 round war.
I find that a 3 x 5min fight is ridiculous, I always did.
Pride fighters come in the ufc used to fighting 30 minute fights or more. 3 x 10 some times 3 x 15 or 3 x 20.
A reasonable time is either 5 x 5 mins, or at least 4 x 5 mins.
The ideal according to me to REALLY know if these fighters are in shape…
1 x 10min 1 x 8min 1 x 5min (similar to Pride, they had many different time limits)
Seing Chuck gassed and hoping it would end after less than 15 mintes of fighting, made me angry, because Silva was not gassed at all.
Silva fought Chuck Liddel’s fight, he needed to get inside chuck’s range, not stand at the end of his punches. Silva should have spent more time with his boxing couch or picked a better couch to teach him to box at the right distance.
I think Chuck will alway be able to beat Silva because of his size and style, he’s got Silva’s number.
To Silva’s credit, he might be able to beat Rampage Jackson if they fight again. He beat Jackson before, he might do it again. Anyway, I tip my hat to Silva for being a great fighter and for having the ability to take so much punishment.
pointblank: Apparently you don’t realize a few things. The 3-5 minute rounds in the UFC is geared toward the US crowd who like non-stop action going at 100 miles an hour. I would equate it to a 100 yard dash in track & field. The 3-10 minute rounds or even longer in Pride were geared toward the Japanese crowds who are much more tolerent of fights with a slower pace. I would equate these fights to a 1000 yard dash or longer. UFC fighters generally have a higher percentage of fast twitch muscles which use up oxygen faster and thus fatigue quicker but they don’t need to conserve energy as much because the fight is shorter. They are different types of fighters that train differently. The UFC wants to avoid long drawn-out boring fights, they want to attract viewers not lose them. Personally, I would much rather see a boring 15 minute fight than a boring 60 minute fight anyday. Incidently Pride fights ended up as 1-10 minute 1st round plus 2-5 minute rounds for that reason.
Chuck has never been known as a cardio machine to begin with so he is not the best example, but Shogun gassed and lost to a rear-naked choke even though he is known for his all-out style which is better suited for the UFC. Silva does have excellent cardio and is well suited to the UFC but he took his time too much, if he would have used his energy reserves better he should have been able to win that fight. He shouldn’t have lost the fight with more energy reserves than his opponent, he needed to attack and get inside where he does his best work and Chuck doesn’t. The blame for his loss was squarely on his own shoulders but he will adjust and I hope become a big force in the 205 lb division.
PB
chuck didn`t gas that much he wa being sensible an not wadeing in trying to knock him out wiv a min to go unless silva caught him wiv a lucky punch just like rampage did, and if the fight would of gone on 5 round chuck would of ground an pound him out silva was a bit tired an a lot hurt did u see how easy chuck got him down that wasn`t the defence of a fighter who wasn`t gassed!
johnboy:
honestly, I dont understand what your saying. Quit the slurs, speak english please
I understood THIS: ”and if the fight would of gone on 5 round chuck would of ground an pound him out silva was a bit tired ”
Are YOU High?
Silva was NOT tired. AND, Silva is VERY good off his back. He did not defend the takedowns because he KNEW Liddell was taking him down ONLY for POINTS.
Enough said.
SoHung:
Great point, I agree 100%
Very logical. However I still think 3 x 5 mins is ridiculous, especially for a cardio machine like Silva.
Clarification: ” He did not defend the takedowns because he KNEW Liddell was taking him down ONLY for POINTS. ”
When I say only for points, I mean that Liddell had NO intentions to hurt silva down there, and it was a wise choice.
PB
so dint silva want to stop chuck takeing the points then? and now your moaning about the rounds being to short cos silvas got a great cardio it sounds very much to me ur a silva fan he knew about the rounds so stop trying to make excuses for him,
i no next time silva fights give him a bat an tie the other guys hands up that would be a gud fight for him,
and for the not makeing sence bit do u just mean its not agreeing with you?
johnboy says: it sounds very much to me ur a silva fan
Yes, and I am a Liddell fan. Ftw.
I was simply replying to your comment about Silva being Tired. Thank GOD for Liddell it was a 3 round fight.
My 2 favorite fighters are Liddell and Silva. I am very dissapointed in the fact that Silva was ready to go 5 more rounds. Liddell was not.
Liddell has never really needed great cardio because his punches end fights quickly but I can’t think of anyone that has took his power shots like Silva did. Lets be honest though, Silva may have kept coming forward until the end but the end was near for him, he was very hurt and there wasn’t too much left on his punches. Silva was hurt and Liddell was almost out of gas, I doubt more rounds would have helped Silva enough for him to win the fight. I think it will be a different story when they fight again, Wanderlei has things he can improve where Chuck fought a near perfect fight.
SoHung says: he was very hurt and there wasn’t too much left on his punches.
I dissagree. Silva has been knocked down many times in his career, or hit on the head, he alwasy recovers (most of the time).
And by the way, its Liddell that was knocked down to the floor Twice in this fight, not Silva.
Silva was as sharp as round 1. Trust me when I say he wasnt out of this fight at all, if someone was, it was Liddell and it was obvious.
Look, before some of you brainiacs start educating the world on what these pro fighters could’ve and should’ve done, maybe you all should go back to 2nd grade and educate yourselves on how to spell 4 and 5 letter words. We may then, possibly, understand your expert advise.
As far as the time goes for each round, stop it. If ifs were fifths goddamn it. Fighters are aware of how much time they have and they train accordingly. You think Liddell and Silva would have fought the same fight if the rounds were 2 minutes shorter or 2 minutes longer?
I’ve read alot of the comments above and some of you dudes know what you’re talking about. The others…have you ever been in a REAL fight…I’m gone.
Because you started this stupid argument… I will go on.
P.F.O.2 says: what these pro fighters could’ve and should’ve done
It’s: could ‘of’ done, not could’ve done (which is what it sounds like in your head…)
P.F.O.2 says: I’ve read alot of the comments above and some of you dudes know what you’re talking about.
That’s according to your judgment/life experience.
P.F.O.2 says: The others…have you ever been in a REAL fight…I’m gone.
are you serious? People dont need to be in a REAL fight to understand the fighting game. Understanding is easy, DOING it is harder.
P.F.O.2 says: We may then, possibly, understand your expert advise.
It’s advice, not advise (which means to advise someone)
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I find it interesting that Dan Henderson managed to knock out Silva but Chuck Liddell couldn’t do it. Dangerous Dan Henderson is my choice against Anderson Silva, he’ll knock him out. Henderson is stronger, more experienced and with as many skills as Anderson..he’ll eventually catch him with a big punch and that will be the begining of the end for Silva.
Pound for pound Henderson might be the hardest puncher in MMA. Wandderlei Silva got knocked out cold by a left hand of Henderson’s, yet his right hand is suppose to be stronger. Anyway, I think Dan’s boxing skills and sheer power will win the fight for him.
i hope your right TJ
Liddle is a disgracefull fighter campare to Wanderlei, if their was in Pride, where the rules are more like a real fight, Wanderlei ahd surly knoced Chuk when i fall down the first time whit hes terreble axe kick
I don,t know how can you,ameica, say that ufc is the biggest organisation, bring sacuraba in and you’ll see that no one could beat him whit ufc’s crap rules!!!
badbas:
I don’t understand what your getting at, you feel that a ‘real fight’ should have soccer kicks, head stomps and knee’s to the head of a downed opponent, that’s fair play in a ‘real fight’ but eye gouging and head butting isn’t?? The last two are not allowed in the UFC or Pride. The Axe Kick is allowed in the UFC as long as it’s not to the head. So you figure that since Silva couldn’t knock Chuck out he should have been able to use an Axe Kick to do it? He had his chance to jump Chuck when Chuck went down and he didn’t, surely you would agree Silva has more weapons than his kicks. The UFC IS the biggest organization by far, that’s EASY to say. As for Sakuraba he’s turning 40 this year and is past his prime, he’s a great fighter don’t get me wrong but he’s fought Silva three times and lost all three fights. Bottom line is this is a sport and not ‘real fights’ so rules are necessary, also keep in mind that the rules are from the Unified Rules of Mixed Martial Arts and their creation only had limited input from the UFC.
I think you’re just sore that Wanderlei Silva lost and you’re a big Pride fan, I would be sore too. Learn to deal with it, because Pride’s gone.
SoHung:
Ok, lets say that IVC is the best way for mma!!! Don’t you ever seen UFC in his prime time?????
badbas
I don’t have a clue what your second sentence means but the IVC started in 1997 and has been gone since 2003 so I think that speaks for itself. The UFC almost died completely because it was deemed ‘too brutal’ until the Fertitta’s bought it and finally gained sanctioning in New Jersey eight years ago by instituting certain rules. The UFC still doesn’t even have santioning in all 50 states let alone other countries. Basically the UFC is an American owned and operated promotion so it had to be accepted by Americans or it would have been gone 5 years ago or more. The rules banning axe kicks, stomps, knees to the head of a downed opponent and others have to be there or the UFC would be banned in the US entirely. If Silva and others want to join the big boys and make the big bucks then he/they have to adjust to the rules. I’m not saying I agree entirely with them but the UFC didn’t initially either.
I would love to know what you’re second question is about.