What Happened Dan? Post-UFC 82 Thoughts And Commentary [Editorial]
After his performance last night, the general consensus according to the rest of the MMA universe is now that Anderson Silva really is the best fighter around…period. Yet I cannot help but wonder, is Silva really that good? Or did Henderson have an off night perhaps? That’s my problem really, I need closure from Dan Henderson on why his performance was so…disappointing. I hate to use the word disappointing when referring to Dan Henderson but as one of my favorite fighters, watching him get choked out by the somewhat smug Anderson Silva was absolutely heartbreaking.
As you might know from my pre-fight predictions, I picked Henderson to win a long, tough decision. If not a decision victory, I could see Henderson losing the hard fought decision to Silva a la his Quinton Jackson fight, and that would have been okay. If Henderson were to have been knocked out in similar fashion to Rich Franklin, I would have been alright with that too. After all, there is no shame in getting beaten in the stand up by someone who has a superior stand up game. But on the ground, via submission, in the second round?!?! That I am just not okay with. Last night Dan Henderson managed to do something I never thought possible, he got beaten at his own game.
Sure Anderson Silva dropped some nice shots on Dan from the ground position, but I expected Henderson to grab Silva, keep him close, and work his world class wrestling. Not give up his back and get choked out. I mean, if anyone out there can defend a choke its Dan Henderson, so what in the world happened? In the first round the fight went as well as I could anticipate, Hendo employed the body lock and took Silva down for as long as he could. If that were to happen all night things would have been just fine, but of course that wasn’t the case. Though to his credit, Henderson did last a full two minutes longer with Silva than the previous record holder, Travis Lutter.
The worst part about all of this is that I am itching for answers I will probably never receive. Henderson gave no explanation for his performance in the post fight chat with Joe Rogan, and simply said that Silva was the better fighter tonight. Really? He was? Well that’s just great, is there anything else you can tell us Dan? What’s that? You also didn’t execute your game plan well and should have been more aggressive? Wonderful, though you said the exact same thing after the Quinton Jackson loss, so I’m starting to wonder if you simply fear change as opposed to losing.
All in all, I take nothing away from Dan Henderson because despite this performance, his record and accomplishments still speak for themselves. It’s just so difficult for me to digest the fact that Anderson Silva really is that good, to the point where Dan Henderson isn’t even a challenge for him. It might put me to ease if in the immediate future Henderson came out and said something to the tune of ‘Well I really couldn’t train hard for this fight because I had a horrible staph infection, I broke my hand,and I couldn’t see out of my right eye during the match’. But as many know, Henderson is a class act, has never made excuses before, and even if there was something wrong, probably wouldn’t mention it as a cop-out.
Now What?
Now that I have vented my thoughts and frustration regarding Henderson, its time to figure out what will be next for Dangerous Dan as well as Anderson Silva. For Hendo, I’d recommend going back up to 205 lbs and competing there as long as the UFC will allow it. Dan may be a tad small for a light-heavyweight, but the fact is he has performed better in the past at LHW than at middleweight, and I don’t think that will change. Perhaps Silva-Henderson II would have been in the cards, but since Silva picked Hendo apart so quickly and easily, I doubt the UFC will make it happen any time soon. If the fight were to have gone at least three or four rounds an immediate rematch would have been a bankable possibility, but for now its just wishful thinking.
I cannot stress enough how much I do not want to have to see Dan Henderson grind things out in the UFC middleweight division. I hope that Dana and those in charge understand that the man simply performs better at light-heavyweight and deserves to be there. Also, for Dana White and Joe Rogan to repeatedly say that Henderson is a more natural and therefore better middleweight is absolutely absurd. The UFC is clearly pushing that statement because the middleweight division is so bare and the LHW is so stacked. I don’t care how much Hendo will help the barren middleweight division, he’s a better fighter at LHW, and should be permitted to hang there if that is indeed his prerogative.
As for one Anderson Silva, the UFC simply has nothing left for ya pal, so you can chill out on the Brazilian coast for a while. Seriously though, what can the UFC do for Anderson Silva? Put him in a rematch against Yushin Okami? That seems to be the only feasible option at this time. While cruising the blogs a few days ago, I came across a quick bloodyelbow post which quoted Silva saying that if he beats Henderson, he might go and challenge the current boxing champion in his weight class. I believe Silva already has a pro boxing record of 1-0, so this might not be such a crazy move. However it doesn’t do a heck of a lot for his MMA career. In the past, Silva has stated that he would never face WEC middleweight champ Paulo Filho, because he and Filho are training partners and such good friends. If I were the UFC, I would scour the earth and other promotions for fighters that may help shake things up in the middleweight division. Or maybe convince Silva to take on his buddy Filho in a WEC vs. UFC match up. Silva says it wouldn’t happen, but every man has his price.
Quick Thoughts On Other Fights:
Heath Herring vs. Cheick Kongo
I was right about this prediction and couldn’t be happier for Heath Herring. Kongo took everything he had to Heath but came up short in the end because for some crazy reason, he thought staying on the ground with The Texas Crazy Horse was a decent idea. While Heath said that he didn’t train grappling hardly at all for this fight, he still performed phenomenally well on the ground, neutralized Kongo’s attack, and earned a tough decision. Cheick Kongo, as usual, looked very strong in the stand up and is getting slightly better on the ground, but if he doesn’t already, the man needs a dedicated BJJ and wrestling coach in his gym. I think given his size, strength and striking ability, Kongo will be a huge heavyweight threat once his ground game blossoms a little more.
Chris Leben vs. Alessio Sakara
Another fight I managed to pick correctly. Alessio Sakara does seem a little more fluid at middleweight, but I don’t think he ever really stood a chance against someone as crazy as Chris Leben. Throughout the fight you could see that Leben wanted to throw the knockout punch every time, while the more technically sound Sakara threw straight, uniform punches that did little to Leben’s iron jaw. Also, I still believe that Chris Leben could move down to welterweight if he wanted to. Though his performance was solid, Leben again looked a bit soft at 185 and I wonder if he has ever considered dropping to welterweight.
Evan Tanner vs. Yushin Okami
Oh Evan Tanner, you come all the way back from a two year hiatus and they throw you to the wolves. It’s not fair really, but I must give Yushin Okami huge respect, instead of laying and praying he employed a nasty Thai clinch that would make Spider Silva proud.
I can only imagine what would have happened if Tanner never got stuck in that clinch, but odds are he would have gotten caught with a flurry at some point and that would have been the end of it. Either way, Tanner wasn’t ready for Okami and I suggest he take a long, intense training camp to iron out the wrinkles in his game. I truly believe that Evan Tanner has the potential to come back and be a force in the UFC again, but not without some serious polishing.
Jon Fitch vs. Chris Wilson
Wow, by far the second-most surprising fight of the night for me. I expected Fitch to take Wilson down with ease then apply a choke at some point. Low and behold, Wilson frustrates Fitch with excellent sprawls, and the fight ends with Fitch stuck in an almost secured triangle choke. This fight does little for Fitch as he was expected to mop the floor with the late replacement, but does a great deal for UFC newcomer Chris Wilson. I say if Wilson isn’t under contract yet, have the lawyers write something up for maybe three fights over the next ten months. If the guy can hang with Fitch that well, he can easily be thrown into the mix with some of the better UFC welterweight talent.
Josh Koscheck vs. Dustin Hazelett
This fight also does little for the anticipated winner, Josh Koscheck. I can say it pleases me to see Koscheck finish a fight, but Dustin Hazelett wasn’t really ready to face Josh Koscheck at this point in his career. Sorry Dustin, even though Koscheck is kind of lame, you have to remember he is actually a pretty good fighter.
Andrei Arlovski vs. Jake O’Brien
Man was it painful not being able watch Andrei Arlovski fight for the first time in almost a year. So what did I do? I just caught the live results recap and apparently, Arlovski punished O’Brien with strikes in the second round, earning himself a TKO victory which many expected. Hopefully Arlovski will be able to work out a deal with the UFC so the next time he takes the octagon, we’ll be able to see it. Hopefully.
Diego Sanchez vs. David Bielkheden
Good job Diego, you beat the hell out of someone who had no business being in the cage with you. I’d say this fight proves that given a terrible opponent, Diego Sanchez can work wonders. Why don’t we put Sanchez against a half decent opponent next time and see what happens?
Brock Lesnar vs. Mark Coleman?
By now most everyone has heard about Mark Coleman claiming that he will be Brock Lesnar’s opponent at UFC 87 in August. Coleman made this announcement after being inducted into the UFC Hall Of Fame at last nights pay-per-view in Columbus. Under normal circumstances, I’d say Mark Coleman is just too old and under skilled to come back into the octagon at the ripe age of 43. But against the under experienced meat head that is Brock Lesnar, this bout should prove to be the UFC’s version of Kimbo Slice vs. Tank Abbott. With Brock playing the role of Kimbo and Coleman being a more athletic version of Tank, we will see if Brock Lesnar can defeat an over-the-hill veteran who probably just wants the fight purse.
Waaaahhhh!!!
Deal with the fact your favorite fighter got beat at his own game. Silva is the best around, period. You lost all credibility with your opening paragraphs.
Foz i agree with u 100% henderson got beat because anderson silva is pound for pound the best fighter in the world, i feel like i was one that beleved anderson could be dan without it going to decision. Eric Dan did not have a bad night he was just beat by the best fighter in the world. The things people said about anderson (best pound 4 pound fighter in the world, lethal combo’s with hands, kicks, elbows, knees) i called since i saw his 1st UFC match the guys has no buddy to fight.
The only thing that is going to take anderson down is age and with the money his going to be making and his superb conditioning there is nothing that does not say he could live to be 180 years old and still compete.
foz, i agree with your comment and would probably say the same thing if it were the other way around, but thats just how i felt when i watched the fight. i could have geared the opening paragraphs to be more neutral and less personal but what the hell, at least its honest.
If you are going to write an article at least try for some level of objectivity. Your comments about how maybe Hendo could of had an injury but would never admit it and that could explain Silva’s win are cheap and without foundation so should not be made.
“…if in the immediate future Henderson came out and said something to the tune of “Well I really couldn’t train hard for this fight because I had a horrible staph infection, and I broke my hand…and I couldn’t see out of my right eye during the match.” But as many know, Henderson is a class act, has never made excuses before, and even if there was something wrong, probably wouldn’t mention it as a cop-out.”
This should not have been included in your article, you are an idiot.
Glad we all can agree.
Anderson, somewhat smug? I think you have grossly misinterpreted his demeanor. Did you see Dan Henderson’s comments in the buildup to the fight? That’s why Anderson respects Franklin more, they had a mutual respect between them. I’m glad Dan (and Matt Lindland) were left to lick their wounds and choke down some humble pie.
Dan got beat by the better fighter, as per his own comments on the fight. He’s still a legend and he will be back, there is no need for you to degrade him and embarrass yourself by making up silly excuses for why he lost to the best fighter in the world.
wow dont pull any punches guys. seriously though the article is an editorial, not a news post. I dont mean to come off saying Silva’s win isn’t legit because it is, and he has now proven that he is better than hendo. And Thumper that example you cite is totally biased on my part so I hear ya, but I think you are taking it the wrong way. Did you actually think I expect Hendo to come out with a statement like that? I tried to write it as a humorous exaggeration just to prove how it would make his loss feel more justified, though it clearly wouldn’t happen. I know its difficult to mix synopsis with personal commentary but thats the way I wrote it, so try to take it for what it is.
I’m not trying to hate. You often post ‘news-esque’ posts. Granted, you also mentioned ‘Commentary’ in your post title. I guess, for me (not for all), it was that I thought your ‘commentary’ would have been more un-biased, entered simply as a fan of the sport. This came off quite whiney, and simply as a fan of certain fighters.
Sorry, just as you stated this was an editorial article, these are considered our opinions of an editorial article.
I am not a huge Henderson fan, but it did hurt the way he went out. I think Silva must just be that damn good. Intersting the talk of him going up 205. I would like to say some of the guys at 205 would walk through him, but I would also like to say there is someone left at 185 that would give him 3 rounds and that I cant…
Is Coleman Lesner really going to be a good fight? I have only been into ufc for a few years not really familiar with Coleman. However, if he is a hall of famer that speaks for itself. However as per his profile on UFC site says he has not fought since 99. If he has not fought elsewhere it will mean it has been like 9 years. Even he conceded last night he has 5 months to train? I have visions in my head of Ken Shamrock…
I hear ya foz and appreciate the criticism, it comes with the territory. Like any other sport, I’m sure you can understand how its difficult to not be a fan of a certain participant if you’re a fan of the sport in which they compete. Though the comments clearly aren’t always kind, I’m happy to at least provide something original from a different perspective that makes for an entertaining read. I actually had a different title for the article originally and I think that may be throwing people off when they read it. I’m thinking a title change may help the perception.
Ed, the UFC profile is probably only displaying his UFC fights. Coleman’s last fight in the UFC was in 1999, but he has fought in Pride up until 2006, most recently losing to Fedor at Pride 32.
For the record, I did not have a problem with the article, it not like it wasn’t clear that you were giving your opinion..
Well thank you Ed, my thoughts exactly! Now if only everyone in the blogosphere had your understanding….
The only problem I have with what everyone has said about this article, is that most of you have said the same thing about Chuck Liddell or Matt Hughs. You some how could justify your comments. I saw Hendo. after the fight in his corner I don’t know for sure but I told my wife, by the way he was standing he looked injured. Jump on me if you will I don’t care I not a big fan of either, nor do I lean to one more than the other. Sylva is a bull, but I have saw Hendo fight better. He never even tried to defend him from taking his back. Watch the fight again objectively. Also it’s his article and if you don’t like it don’t read it. To call someone an idiot because of their article, also commentary includes someones opinion. Listen to the commentary while watching the fights, point made.
I appreciate the time it took to do the article. I probably just disagree with the opinion and the style at wish you wrote it. You tried to take away from such a huge win for Silva - now proven the best fighter in the world……
It seemed like any fan of a team who just got demolished. It lacked the sportsmanship that many MMA fighters pride themselves on.
I was hoping that “Dangerous”Dan would win that fight, but I TOTALLY submit to the fact that Silva is an unstoppable force at middleweight. I have heard that he may take a run at the lightheavyweight division, and can’t wait for that. In Hendo’s defense…. He put up a fair fight, and won the first round. Before he was knocked down in the secound, he blocked some HEAVY high kicks from Silva, and wouldn’t be suprised if his bones in his forarms are not broken. He wasn’t near as powerful after that, and paid dearly.
On Coleman/Lesnar…….If Coleman can get a ruling change to allow knees to a downed opponent, he could win this one, but I have never seen him win a match where he wasn’t allowed to knee in the “North/South” position. (well, maybe 1) Another thing, I thought Lesnar was going to face McCully?
That doesn’t even come close to humorous; you have a lot to learn about writing.
I also heard he was gonna fight McCully Scotch…..dont know what happend with that. As far as the article goes…I think it was an excellent article. I think that Silva is the best fighter in the UFC…period. I also believe that Hendo had an off night. I think Silva would have beaten him anyway, but Hendo did not look the best. I picked Silva to win…but my heart wanted Hendo to win. Well its been a bad start in the UFC for Henderson….but at least now he can fight some fighters that are not champions haha…..maybe build his confindence a little. You have to think about it…his previous fight he lost his LHW belt just to go and defend his MW belt..well to unify them whatever u want to call it. He has fought two proven champions in his first 2 fights in the UFC…..time to get back on track and get another shot at the title. If Silva goes to MW….it would be just as awsome to see Franklin vs Henderson for the title.
Lol, I’m sorry my humor bothered you so much thumper, I will go back to school immediately.
The fact of the matter is….Hendo is 37 years old. Spider is in his prime. Hendo’s career is about over. There is only 1 Randy Couture, and even he was just taking advantage of a weak division. Nobody should have ever thought Spider was gonna lose this fight. Ofcourse, I thought the fight would have been a little closer after Hendo went 5 with Rampage, but I never for 1 second though Spider was going to lose. By the way, last night was the first ever UFC event I have attended. And it was as great as I thought it would be. I can’t wait till Minnesota!
Eric,
I have no problem with opinions expressed in your article, and understand it is strictly editorial (as the title states) “thoughts and commentary”. I also apologize for the somewhat pointed unsolicited personal attacks of the cronies here… there’s really no need or place for that. All of that said, I disagree with a couple of your Silva vs Hendo assertions.
I’ve been watching this sport since UFC2, and I honestly believe Silva has as unique a grasp on his weight class as any I’ve ever witnessed. With this victory over Henderson, he has literally cleaned house on the 185lb class. Say what you will about the depth at 185, but by any reasonable measure, Franklin and Henderson are quality wins. We are quick to forget that, pre-Silva, Franklin was in the conversation as best pound for pound, and Henderson was in that conversation 2 days ago. I really think these two guys can beat anyone else at this weight. Anderson is just THAT good. In a class by himself good. He is a lean, graceful striker the likes of which we’ve rarely seen in MMA (the uppercut elbow Rogan referenced in the broadcast is available on YouTube, and just plain sick (I’ve never seen anything like it). Add that ridiculous Mui Thay clinch, uncommon physical attributes for this weight class, a much underrated ground game (has anyone else ever seen the body triangle utilized defensively from the bottom?), and you have one well-rounded, dangerous and dominant Middleweight. Let’s look at the evidence. He put Franklin (himself a dominant champion at the time) in the MMA equivalent of the Vulcan nerve pinch, and threw this giant Middleweight around like a rag doll. Twice. Anderson submitted Hendo & Lutter. He out-switched the 8 time King of Pancrase, then TKO’d him. He knocked out the hard headed Leben in 45 seconds. The evidence is in; Anderson Silva is the best pound for pound fighter in MMA.
I also have to take exception to your comments about Silva being ’somewhat smug’. I really think that may be your disappointment in Henderson’s performance coming through. Other than GSP, I have a hard time thinking of anyone I’d put in the conversation with Anderson as more truly gracious ambassadors of the sport. Again, I am a Rich Franklin fan, and Silva has won me over as much with his demeanor as with his incredible skill. The way he respects his opponents and carries himself with quiet humility is really admirable, and for me, a refreshing change from what we typically see in American sports.
I edited the title just so it’s a little more clear that this is an editorial. I think there’s some valid arguments being raised in both the posts and the comments.
For what it is worth, I thought the above piece was good. It was a “Thoughts and Commentary” writeup, not a piece for the NY Times. I find it funny how some can criticize someone else’s work while not knowing the difference between “your” and “you’re” or figure out the proper use of punctuation.
I was in a different situation with the Silva/Hendo fight with me being a huge fan of both fighters. Hell, I could barely muster up the gonads to make a pick on the match. Like you Eric, I ended up going with Henderson simply due to his iron chin and superior wrestling ability. I though he would be able to take Silva down and grind out either a TKO or a decidion to get the win. To be honest, I grossly underestimated Silva’s Jiu Jitsu. I mean he caught Lutter in that triangle quite nicely, but the way he dominated Hendo on the ground in the second round blew me away. Henderson took Silva for a ride in the first though. That just goes to show Silva’s composure and determination. Lesser fighters would have made many mistakes and given up oppotunities in the same position without a doubt.
I want to see Silva take on Okami and Ricardo Almeida before heading up to LHW. Those are the only two fighters left that pose the slightest of risk to the Spider. Silva will unquestionably be a force at 205lb but perhaps not as overly dominant as he is at 185lb. Hopefully there is someone there that can atleast take him into the third round!
As for the future of Hendo, well, I am not sure what he is going to do. At 37 he only has a few years of fighting left. Hopefully he can learn something from this loss and fight his way back up the ladder at either LHW or MW. I wouldn’t mind seeing Silva/Henderson II somewhere down the road.
Aww… Kris… don’t cave to the knuckleheads. The tone of the article, including the original title, indicated it was an editorial.
Thanks Kris, this should help for those who haven’t already commented. Zig- I appreciate your sentiment, I will tell you I said “somewhat smug” because of his comments after the fight with Rogan, when he said that Henderson is good, but Franklin will always be considered the true champion (maybe he just said it for the crowd, who knows.) I’m sure I can’t remember it verbatim, but I found that to be in somewhat poor taste. Good insight though.
just wondering..henderson lost 20 lbs for this fight. i don’t know on what date he decided to go back down to middleweight. but moving up and down has to affect your ability to train effectively, esp. at 37. i would like to see how silva would do at 204 fighting in that weight class in his next fight. i’m sure he won’t, why risk it? he is king of the hill, but that would prove a lot. all i’m saying is that what henderson has been doing is impressive, but maybe not that smart. is this right?
Appreciate the defense zig, but this was actually the original title of the article, minus the editorial in brackets of course. Unfortunately, sometimes you do have to cater to the knuckleheads to avoid any unnecessary misunderstandings. You know how it is.
Judoka,
I agree completely about Silva’s ground domination of Hendo. This will probably bring down th falmers, bu, Was anyone else a little surprised at Dan’s lack of response to Anderson on his back? He didn’t roll to break the body triangle, and IMO, really didn’t hand fight much considering he was 10 seconds from the end of the round?
My thoughts on where we go from here at 185…
IMO, Henderson should stay and fight at Middleweight. Regardless of where he might think he’s more comfortable, at this stage of his career, he’s somewhere in the middle of the pack at 205. I think he’s looking at a minimum of 2-3 fights at 205 before he’ll be back in line for a title shot. There are just too many other fighters in the picture that will (and should) get their shots first. However, at 185, Hendo can be back in a title match in 2 fights (assuming he wins). So here’s what I’d like to see happen.
Silva vs. Okami II - It has to happen now. Okami is rght there, a top 5 Middleweight, and representing the last “loss” on Silva’s record. ‘Nuff said. As good as he is, I give Okami no more than a puncher’s chance.
Henderson vs. Franklin - After Franklin dispatches Lutter, I think this makes sense. These are the two best Middleweights in the world not named Anderson Silva. I have no idea who would win this fight, but the loser moves down into the pack, and the winner gets another crack at the Spider. I think either of them, assuming they bring their A game, may be able to take Silva… into the third round.
Almeida vs. Marquardt II - Ricardo is back, but IMO, not ready for either Henderson or Franklin at this point. If he can beat Marquardt, he may be ready (if not, he’l move down the ladder to one of those “someone has to win” fights with someone like Tanner). Unless Almeida or Marquardt convincingly dominated the other, I don’t think either of these guys would see Silva before having to also navigate an encounter with one of the above mentioned fighters.
Sorry, I know it isn’t much, but that’s about it for the foreseeable future of the UFC at Middleweight. Still, let’s get crazy for a minute and throw in some wildcards.
TUF7 - There is little hope here. The UFC will surely market the winner, and wade them right into the mix at 185. Whether or not this yields a legitimate contender is another story. I’m guessing the TUF 7 winner, even assuming a dominant winner, is 3-4 fights from a shot at Silva. That said, somewhere along that road will be Franklin, Okami, Henderson, Marquardt and Almeida. Hard to believe any of those guys isn’t the roadblock.
*NOTE: This one has no substantiation… just brainstorming…
Shogun Hua - Yes, I know he’s at 205. Remember my comments about Hendo at 205 above? I feel much the same about Maricio. Shogun is awfully soft at 205. I have to believe he could drop to 185 without a lot of work. If he chooses to stay at 205, well, I don’t believe the loss to Griffin was a fluke. He got worked by a bigger, stronger, more motivated true 205′er. Even if Hua was in line for a title shot, IMO he doesn’t really want this vintage of Rampage (yes, I know their history, but this is a different QJ). Also, I think there is an excellent chance Shogun will lose to Chuck Liddell. Chuck is fading, for sure, but if he is as motivated as he was against Wanderlei, Hua will have a long night of it. He’s not going to be able to hold Chuck down, and I don’t think he wants to stand and trade with Chuck. So who’s left from there? Lyoto Machida? Tito Ortiz? Keith Jardine? Sokoudjou? Right now, he probably goes 2-2 against that field. I’d much prefer to see him cut and ready at 185.
In closing, I don’t believe any of these guys can touch Anderson Silva at 185. I agree that Silva will end up at 205 eventually, though I think this will come later, rather than sooner. A lot more of the above scenarios will play out at 185 first. Consider… right now, Anderson is a top 2-3 light heavy, but Rampage in his current vintage could be a problem. Quinton IS what Rogan professed Henderson to be custom designed to beat Silva. He’s a big, strong, athletic wrestler with a lot of experience, who can give and take punches, and who is in his prime. Still, Rampage has proven susceptible to knees in the clinch. Also consider that Dana hates the concept. He railed Pride for putting their bankable stars in impossible matches for a buck. It would make an unbelievable fight, though I just don’t see the motivation for Silva to move up tight now, and we all know that there are plenty of challengers for Rampage already at 205. I think 205 will need to clear out a little first before it makes sense.
Some very disrespectful comments
Why on earth does Silva keep calling Franklin a “champion” ?
Is it because aside from Hendo & Lutter fights (both had Silva worried) Marquart, Leben & both Franklin fights have been the only time he has not been in trouble ?
I’ve started to dislike Silva due to his smugness
& disrespect after the win.
dan henderson lost because he was fighting a guy who is at the top right now. no matter where that fight went standing or on the ground hendo was second best.he may of had position for most of 1st round but failed to do anything with it. anderson silva is a mixed martial artist. dan henderson is a wrestler with great chin and a power punch. i like both these fighters but im my opinion silva is right up there with the best in any weight and thats why hendo lost.
There is a reason why Silva’s the best, but when I watched that fight, whenever Hendo was aggressive, he had Silva on his heels and going in reverse. Then on his back. When Silva got aggressive, Hendo became reluctant to throw with bad intentions. Then tried to counterpunch which didn’t work out. That’s where Silva won the fight.
As soon as Silva got Hendo’s back and into a body lock, I thought Hendo was going to slam him on his head, but that didn’t happen.
Yushin Okami will probably be the next guy up. I’m not going to sleep on Okami. He just might be the guy to upset Silva. He is one of the bigger middleweights. Muay Thai boxer and I think he has a black belt in Judo. Likes to ground and pound. He’s strong enough to hang with Silva.
okami might just be the man to upset silva E ROC but i wont be putting my money on him!!! silva deserves all the credit in the world for taking hendo out that quick. there will always be someone to challenge a champion but maybe we should all just enjoy watching a great like silva.
give silva rampage or liddlle lets see wat hes really made of, i wont be calling him the best striker in the game untill hes moved up and proved me wrong cos i belive rampage or chuck would knock him back on his web!
johnboy you seem to say that we dont know what silva is made of?? i take it that subbing hendo inside 2 rounds isnt to impressive for you?? silva doesnt need to go up a weight to prove hes a top fighter he has already done that.of course if he does move up those guys have good chance of koing him on size alone.
for the record, silva was smug, after seeing him refuse to touch gloves then take a cheap shot for the fans after the fight. pretty weak for a fighter who demands so much respect if you ask me. good EDITORIAL, cheers and see you in mtl!
Good job shaking things up though Eric! haha. We needed it…..the comments have been lacking and we have new regulars it looks like. I liked the post personally and understood what u meant…but other people didnt…and thats whats cool about it. I think we needed a lil shakeup!
Regarding Anderson’s “somewhat smug” antics… I agree the comment about Franklin being the other true champion was inapropriate, but consider, it was also very out of character for Silva, who literally never talks smack. I know it was in Rich’s backyard, but I’m not sure that would be enough motivation. I’m wondering about the literal translation of what he said, and if it was really intended that pointed. If you watch the end of the fight again, it’s a little contradictory that Anderson would take a verbal jab at Hendo like that, then bow at his feet, and show a great deal of respect for all the rest of his team?
No way of knowing the literal translation, I suppose, but knowing Silva’s character in every other situation, I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt. Has anyone else ever noticed that in these translation instances, a guy will rattle off 3 paragraphs worth of commentary, then the intrpreter say, “He says, Thanks”… you know there was a lot more nuance to the comment than what you heard.
Thanks kingcreep and fixxer. Man, I can’t wait til my next editorial.
Always been a regular…. Just not a regular ‘poster’. That’ll all change in the near future.
Ace vs Hendo. If Hendo loses he should seriously think about retiring, either that or maybe he should fight Evan Tanner. Or move or to elite xc and fight the Shamrocks or Kimbo Slice.
SILVA IS A SCARY DUDE AND SHOULD MOVE UP TO 205 AND SCRAP THE WINNER OF RAMPAGE AND GRIFFIN I THINK HE COULD WHOOP BOTH OF THEM NOT AT THE SAME TIME
I personally believe that Silva felt personally attacked. Being at the weigh-ins watching him stare down Henderson hardcore. Watching the pre-fight hype where Silva does his normal “Dan’s a great fighter I’m going to bring everything I have and try to make this fight one of the most memorable in MMA history” then Dan “I’m going to whoop his ass and knock his head into the 17th row… I got better stand up / clinch / ground game than Silva. Wherever this fight goes I’m better” I don’t think Silva liked that at all. He didn’t even tap before the fight. I think Rich Franklin / Anderson Silva’s definition of a “TRUE champion” is one with great attitude and skills. A humble fighter.
If Henderson would of won we would of been had to listen to how his ground / clinch game is head and shoulders above Silva and how he “whooped his ass”. Silva simply just said the only “TRUE champeion” he’s ever fought is Rich Franklin.
I agree with ZiG’s comments about Silva not being smug. I think a lot can be lost in the translation. My guess is that there was a bit of confusion about Rogan’s comments regarding Henderson being the Pride champ versus Silva beating Franklin to become the UFC champ. And there may also have been an element of Silva trying to play to the crowd.
In regards to the actual article by Eric, as has already been mentioned this is an opinion piece, it’s not supposed to be objective. I don’t agree with the comments about Hendo possibly being injured because Silva does seem to be that good but it was still an interesting read.
Not sure if anyone else commented on this, because I didnt feel like reading 43 posts before I post
but is anyone else excited to see Silva vs Okomi??? I mean, really..who technically was the last person Anderson Silva lose to? Okomi! So I can’t wait for that match up…
As for the rest of the card…that KOS fight proved the card was messed up - that was an exciting fight…and we got stuck with Fitch… boring…Tanner…fairly boring….I see Diego won in the 1st round, and of course Arlovski in the 2nd…both sounded more exciting than Fitch and Okomi’s fight…even if Diego’s opponent was terrible. I’d still rather see those matches than a boring 3 rounder like Fitch’s.
I think this is where UFC will start to make tons of money off Silva. I don’t see an Okami fight happening just yet, Franklin beat him, its boring and I personally wouldn’t even order it. Silva is a HUGE draw now but i believe people want to see the fan favorites try to keep beating the un-beatable champ.
I think that Silva will be involved in BIG TIME matches from now on. Wheres Frank Shamrock when you need him ??????????
If Bisping wins his next fight, put him against Okami and the winner faces Silva.
I heard St-Pierre wants a piece of the action. Maybe even BJ Penn …..
OR Okami VS Silva = Winner has to learn the English language !!!!!!
Speaking of size Silva, himself looks to be a large mw. When standing near Hendo he looks to be bigger than he is. Just my opinion but I believe Silva vs Hendo 2 would be a great fight, much better than the first atleast. I read post that say this could be the fight of the year, really it was not that good or exciting. The fight had the potential bot did not live up. The Leban fight was more exciting to me.
You really think Anderson is smug???? I find Henderson to be the smug one. Please don’t take my word for it, just watch the pre-fight interviews with both fighters and I think you will find the definition of humble in Silva and smug in Henderson. Nuff said…
You are right on about Evan Tanner, I could not say it better….he was thrown to the wolves, and we hope with more training he will be back. You could tell he looked frustrated and was unable to do the things he knew he was suppose to do.
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I think you don’t like Anderson Silva. Never saw something sooo terrible like that!
Its an opinion article guys,if you couldn’t tell that before you read it then thats your fault. Looked to me like Dan said “f*** it” and barely defended the choke. Anderson the best around and I hope he goes to LHW since theres nobody under the 185 weight class that has any chance…even GSP to all you nuthuggers. Im a huge fan of GSP,but he’d have ZERO chance. Not even a punchers chance.
Henderson’s biggest problem could have been seen as a number of factors. Henderson is historically slower at 185 lbs., even training partners such as Frank Trigg have mentioned this in column writing on the ‘Net. Henderson had a reach disadvantage, and his striking is non-dynamic. He’s a solid one-two puncher with big power, but the power was nullified by the fact that he couldn’t reach Silva. Silva used his kicks effectively to maintain a safe distance while he picked apart Henderson and eventually caught him in the second round.
To be honest, it was unrealistic for anyone to believe that Henderson could simply work his first round strategy on Silva for the entire fight. Silva’s skillset boasts more weapons to end the fight whereas Henderson really only had his fists to work with. I never picked Henderson once in any of my prediction postings, and I simply wasn’t feeling it. However, I could see the opposite argument.
Good article, Eric.
RE: Dan
Thank you for stating that GSP would not stand a chance againt Silva.
Are you kidding me?!?! GSP would have more than just a chance at winning. I said all along that Silva didnt impress me because he hasnt fought anyone good…but he proved me wrong this weekend…still that being said, GSP in my opinion is pound for pound, the best fighter in the UFC…Im sure im one of the few who think that…but he will stomp Serra, and keep dominating…he had 1 hiccup in his career.. bc the loss to Hughes in his prime and GSP was young was not a fluke..but the man can out wrestle the wrestlers (Hughes, KOS) and he can out BJJ the black belts (Penn) he can beat anyone…would he beat Silva? I would say yes, but would not be surprised is Silva won…the guy is very good, but when you put him up against someone will GSP skills..you can just say Silva would win, no contest…
If GSP has such a solid game, he would be more consistent like ANDERSON SILVA. You must be absolutely crazy to place GSP as the number one P4P fighter. GSP lost to Matt Serra and my opinion he lost to BJ Penn, as well. You guys must just be infatuated with GSP. But for those who do not know Anderson Silva, the number one P4P fighter in the world, let me brief you. Silva last real lost came in December 31, 2004 against Ryo Chonan. Silva was thoroughly giving this guy a @SS whipping, but some way and some how, in a desperation move, Chonan comes in with a flying scissor/heel lock; which, by the grace of GOD, connected. WTF!!!! The move looks like it come straight out of the movies and Anderson Silva tapped. In January 2006, Anderson faced off with Yushin Okami, who he KNOCKED OUT, with an up-kicked to Okami’s delicate face from his back. Silva was disqualified because 1. Okami could no longer continue and 2. Okami was on his grounded (on his knees) when he received the kick. Silva is unbelievably strong, quick, and technical. To simply put it, Silva’s fight game is flawless. Silva first encounter with Rich Franklin, he threw Franklin around the ring like a rag doll. Even Franklin commented on Silva’s strength. He stated that he felt like he was in the ring with Tim Sylvia. Franklin, who used to fight in the light heavy weight division and is bigger than Henderson, was no match for Silva, both times. Muscle mass isn’t the only determining factor of a person’s strength. Honestly, if the, fight with Silva and Henderson continued standing, Henderson would have been knocked out. By the time the bell sounded for the second round to begin, Dan Henderson was already gassed (if you don’t believe me, just take a look at the fight). I have to give it to the UFC for doing their best to create a buzz about the Silva and Henderson bout, knowing damn well that Silva would win. UFC stated that Henderson would be stronger, stylistically a bad match up, and Silva’s toughest challenge; all of which were lies to sell more tickets and pay-per-view. UFC also reminded us all that Henderson has never been knocked out and conveniently forgot to tell us neither has Silva. A true MMA Critic, not a fan, could have predicted this fight, I digress. Anyway back to GSP. I like him as a fighter, but honestly he wouldn’t even be in my top 10 pound for pound. If GSP is the epitome of what a mix martial artist, then why did he loses twice after having the belt. The man can’t even defend the title. Comparing him to Silva is ludicrous; everything that GSP is known for Silva does it ten times better. If you still think GSP is better that Anderson Silva, remember this; Silva is thinking about moving down to welterweight division. Man do I feel sorry for those guys in that division.
belly i rate silva as the top fighter out there all im saying is now hes proved hes the top 185 guy in the world and there is no1 out there now at that weight to test him he should move up hes quite a big guy anyway so dont think that 20 pound would make that much diffrence, and in my opinion chuck and rampage would knock his smug arse out and i no im guna get a lot of stick for this but tito would also beat him, but belly dont get me wrong he is the top guy no questions but that doesn’t mean i have to like him!
Hey Max, come off your high horse for a sec and think about some facts here ok…well 1 fact.. GSP has 2…count em TWO loses…and he only lost ONE time after gaining the belt - his other loss was right away in his career to Hughes. That fight qith Serra was a fluke. To say GSP is not top 10 is ludacris….Im not a fan of his by any means, but the guy is very impressive - he is quick and strong - he wanted Liddell before he lost to Serra, he was going to get that fight too, but lost - so you see his balls are a little bigger…he wanted to MOVE UP and fight not MOVE DOWN and fight - Silva is a tough guy if he wants to go pick on the lighter guys…how about stepping up and fighting the new level. Im not saying he would lose, but the competition is way better.
And dont say by the grace of GOD did Chonan win because anyone can beat anyone - it was an off night for Silva, just like how every fighter has an off night….and that upkick to Okami WAS illegal, thats why it was stopped - you cant kick a downed opponent in the head, no matter your position - he did, and he lost - thats the rules…
So Silva is good, im not taking anything from him - but all im saying is maybe he should step up and face the big boys
They are both great fighters but I don’t understand why it’s so hard to believe Silva is this good. In a best 2 out of 3 or 3 out of 5 with Henderson he probably wouldn’t win them all but I’m onfident he would still come out on top. I think Silva is amazing and I would compare him to the New England Patriots this year, the only way you are going to beat him is if you have your A+ game on and he slips up a bit. That’s how it is for now, how is that so hard to believe?
I agree with everything xStevEx in post #45 said. Hendo was the one that was lacking class. This reminds me of how all the Miletich fighters get their panties in a bunch when other fighters talk crap, yet Miletich fighters are some of the biggest crap talkers in the game. It’s a great day in MMA when 0 Miletich fighters hold belts!
Justjoe……. it wont be long…MFS is the best camp in the world. Corey Hill will be a champion before too long! A lot of thier fighters are ****y, I agree with that….but they are some of the best fighters in the world.
185 Silva > GSP…….170 GSP > Silva… Silva is the #1 PFP and I’ve been advocating that on mmafrenzy for several months now. I think Silva should go to 205 and take on Jackson/Griffin winner. I’d then like to see him take on GSP at either 185 or 170. He could be the first to hold 3 UFC belts at once. Is it a long shot, of couse….is it possible, absolutely.
Herring v Kongo was disappointing for all the reasons Heath mentioned in the post fight interview. Being there live, I expected a great throw down, not 2 HW’s rolling on the mat. Leben looked great, Tanner looked like is hadn’t fought in 2 years and needs to call it a career. I give big kudos to Okami for realizing his fights have been lackluster and for calling out before the fight that he’d finish Tanner off before it went to the judges. Koscheck was impressive and Fitch looked like someone who was disappointed he was fighting a relative “unknown” instead of for the title. I think Fitch will rebound with a better showing in his next fight (he won’t beat GSP, but he’ll look better in losing than he did in winning this fight…if that makes sense). Diego looked good. I booed him as much as anyone else on his way to the ring, but I’m the first to admit, he put on a great display and I had to applaud his effort. Coleman, don’t do like Shamrock did. Just because Couture made a successful rebound, don’t think that you’ll do the same. The last thing we need is to watch you go out looking like you did against Fedor. I’ll comment on the dark matches in a separate post.
Here’s my take on the Arlovski vs Obrien match for those of you who weren’t in attendance (I apologize for those who have read this on other threads). Dana and one of the UFC owners left their ring-side seats prior to the match (I’m sure in protest to the negotiations with Andre’s management). O’Brien was told the match would air on PPV if and only if he won. Andre came out to arguably the biggest applause of the evening (Silva & Henderson kind of split the audience in half and everyone was cheering Andre). The first round was typical of his past fights, a lot of dancing and little action. The crowd quickly turned and the boos resonated in the stadium. In the second round, Andre eventually got the better of O’Brien and once he got him on the ground. Arlovski attained a full mount and abused O’Brien’s face until the ref stopped it. The place erupted. There was no post fight interview by Joe Rogan (I’m sure there would have been one had O’Brien won). I get that the UFC wants to diminish Andre’s stature with it looking more and more like he’ll depart for a rival promotion. It was just disappointing that only 19,000 of us got to see his final fight in the UFC. It was one of his best finishes since beating Sylvia in their first fight. I understand he wants a big contract, and also understand that Dana knows his value has dropped (especially due to his lackluster performances as of late). There are other promotions that will throw incredible amounts of money at him and he’d be foolish to decline it. Best of luck Andre, and it was nice to see your UFC run end on a positive note.
I agree MFS is a great camp, and I respect their fighters, but I just love watching them lose, and I hate when they win. And I agree Hill has a great shot to be champ at 155 one day, but I don’t think it’s gonna be anytime soon. BJ is gonna rule for a while until he moves back up, then Huerta is gonna take over. Ofcourse Sherk is the question mark right now. I can’t wait for BJ vs the Muscleless shark fight. Please BJ com prepared and in shape I can’t stand Sherk!
#32- willie.. Silva may have seemed smug but i feel it was in retaliation to all the belittling Henderson did leading up to the fight. Silva was a humble and gracious opponent leading up to the fight. I feel he shouldn’t have lowered himself to henderson level with the belittling but what can you do… I personally feel you get respect when you give it.. and it didn’t appear dan gave ANY leading up to the fight.
For those who think Matt Serra win over GSP was a fluke, be prepared for another fluke. I predict Serra winning in their rematch.
-Justjoe-….I hear ya dude! I feel the same way about Gracie fighters.. haha. They are ****y fighters under the radar and think they are the best fighters in the world. I love the Militech Gracie fued. I also loved it when Hughes Pounded Gracie out. What I like about Militech is these fighters are all so down to earth. I am hoping to have an interview posted soon with Pat Militech himself soon….but he is a busy man! haha.
On a writing note, a consensus, by its nature, is always general. Making the phrase ‘general consensus’ a tautology (say the same thing twice).
I will agree with some of the others, although not necessarily with their delivery, that your editorial seems too heavily slanted towards Hendo.
In fact, it appears so biased, it makes me completely discard the speculative excuses you’re offerring for Henderson’s performance. Put some meat on those bones or put’em in the trash pile.
To me, your editorial revolves around the presumption that Henderson’s ground game was/is superior to Silva’s. While the ground game is Hendo’s bread and butter, it’s not been demonstrated that his ground game was that markedly superior to the Spider’s.
In fact, it can be argued that their respective ground games might be closer in skill level than you’re willing to admit or even that Silva might be slightly better off his feet than Dan is.
I can’t help but notice that Silva’s fights tend to run in similar vein as GSP’s, in that he beats fighters at their respective strengths. Strikers like Franklin and Leben, get out-struck. Ground guys, like Lutter and Hendo, get taken out on the ground. (Which is not to say the aforementioned fighters are strictly one dimensional, but have notable areas of expertise).
militich fighters down to earth! matt hughes was so far up his own arse it was unreal till gsp took his head off lol!
Hey belly….have you ever met a farmer? They think one way and everyone else is wrong. Matt Hughes falls into the catagory of a farmer. I have met many MFS fighters and trust me…they are all down to earth. Some of the nicest people you will meet.
yes i can imagine that some of them are and some arnt just like im sure all the gracies are not ****y and think they are the best,all i was pointing out was that you cant just put everyone in the same catagory just cos they wear a name like militich or gracie.and being a farmer is no excuse for acting like a tool like hughes has at times.
WoW…I mean to say I’am disappointed in Hendos performance would be an understatement.I have followed his career for some time.Personally this was no where the best of his capabilities in or out the cage.I’am not taking any thing away from Sider he’s never let any viewer done when he’s on the card.Certainly Dan knows what he can and cannot do in a fight.But this in the biggest picture was not his best.I would though like to see him stay at this weight.You hav’nt seen the last of this guy trust me.But again as always,Spider an incredible fighter not only to watch,but to how he conducts himself outside the ring.
kongo got strait robbed he won the first two rounds easily no way herring one the second round by landing knees for 50 seconds i think it was an absolute fluke that the judges gave herring the decision
also dana white is a real piece as much money as he makes off the ufc he should pay his fighters
Eric i could have sworn i wrote that article. Those are the exact same feelings i had with the Henderson Silva fight. To see Dan just quit that easily is really a tough to understand. It reminded me of the Penn Hughes fight were Hughes just rolled into the choke and basically gave up and then he talked about wanting someone else have the torch because he was tired of all the pressure. Im a huge Henderson fan as well as Silva but to me something just isn’t sitting right with me after watching that match.
everything sits right with that fight. hendo was beaten fair and square! on both occasions hughes penn and this one hughes and hendo were both caught hard in the standup before the submission. hendo was caught and admitted he was a bit dazed on the floor. sometimes people have just gotta say best man won and give the winner credit instead of questioning a win and looking for excuses.