WEC 33 “Marshall vs. Stann” Results
By: Kris Karkoski | Mar 27, 2008
- Brian Stann def. Doug Marshall via TKO - Round 1, 1:35
- Chael Sonnen def. Bryan Baker via unanimous decision
- Marcus Hicks def. Ed Ratcliff via submission - Round 1, 1:42
- Steve Cantwell def. Tim McKenzie via submission - Round 1, 2:13
- Hiromitsu Miura def. Blas Avena via TKO - Round 1, 2:35
- Brock Larson def. John Alessio via DQ (illegal knee) - Round 1, 1:50
- Rich Crunkilton def. Sergio Gomez via unanimous decision
- Alex Serdyukov def. Ryan Stonitsch via submission - Round 1, 1:35
- Kenji Osawa vs. Chris Manuel - Split Draw
- Logan Clark def. Scott Harper via TKO - Round 1, 4:37
Marshall is a bouncer not a fighter…doug go for a jog cut down to 185 and move to the ufc…if you are as bad as you act then make the jump…Brian Stann in a syborg and he should cut down and fight in the ufc too…ps is everyone in the wec fighting at thier walking around weight?
This match was not even close…Stann should be champion for a while. No one in the WEC matches his skill. You are right Eddy…he is UFC material.
the wec only has 2 good weight divisions bantam and feather the others r filled wit medicore fighters if conduit made the jump would he beat a fitch or a gsp no if marshall was to jump hed get all kinds of f***ed up from the likes of rampage and forrest or if he drops down hes got the human buzzsaw in anderson silva so all and all they can stay in the wec but now this stann guy is a beast that id like to see him up his competition in the ufc or even heavyweight dude is a walkin talkin tank and i think he could shake things up in the stalest division around
i think that marshall was a weak champ but lookin at that fight it almost seemed like he thru it. if you watch it again, notice how he doesn’t look the guy in the eyes when they touch gloves, then a few times throughout the fight you seem him mouth something to stann as if to say “good kick, keep it up”. the left hit him good but if you look at how he flopped his arms, they didn’t just drop like a KO, it’s like he slowly put em down. and during the replay, they cut away so you don’t get to see his eyes to tell if he was really out. i smell bs. btw, that middle weight chayel sonen (spelling?) is pretty badass, i think he’d do alright in UFC as well. and like i’ve been saying, i’d love to see UFC start a 145 class and use faber/pulver as the launching pad.
Have you ever watched a fight before??? A lot of fighters do the whole…not look at opponent when in the face off and touch gloves…that doesnt mean he threw it….also….plenty of times do people talk to their opponent in fights…look at most chris leban fights…he’ll get rocked and then say something and high 5 his opponent…so again…that doesnt mean the fight was thrown… in the replay….that was a solid punch and it was a legit knock DOWN….now to say he was out.. only Marshall knows…. he did look like he went to flop his arms, then protect himself then to flop again….but i doubt it was thrown…what good could come of it?! This is the WEC where alot of people have no clue who either of these guys are…let alone know who marshall is…
As for them moving up….Marshall could move to 185 and beat the likes of Bisping, McCarthy… etc…but would get rocked by silva, franklin, etc…Stann could make some noise in the 205 division….if he could avoid people taking him down, then there is no one who could match up with his power….yea, most would disagree and say chuck is better…blah…well Stann was trained in the military, so he can fight with the best of them…and can take a punch….but i have never seen someone so dominant like him before… if he fought rampage in july instead of forrest.. yea, id still put money on rampage…but in my opinion…that would be a way better fight bc forrest is not going to do crap….i still dont think he is the right contender, but thats a diff discusion…
Brian “The REAL Captain America” Stann!!! Faber/Pulver should headline a PPV and not be on VS on a wensday night…ps bisping, sherk and randy suck!
no jason n, i’ve never ever seen a fight before…ever. last night was my first time, thanks for letting me know that none of that meant that the fight was thrown. watch it again. it could be legit, my whole point is that something didn’t feel right. marshall isn’t the kinda guy who gets intimidated that easy or backs away in a fight. all those things i mentioned where just things that made me question what really happened. as for why it could’ve played out that way, who knows, there’s probably plenty of reasons. way to get your panties in a bunch.
the reason why i said what i did…was because the reasons you listed were non factors… who cares if he didnt stare him down…who cares if he talked to him while fighting…big deal! From what I remember, when stann kicked him…marshall gave him the…Im impressed…look…the fact of the matter is…marshall got caught, plain and simple….he was throwing bombs and left himself open in the process…then again i guess i am ignorant in wanting to believe that this sport isnt fixed……all the other sports probably are.. which is sad….but id like to think in fighting, they wouldnt rig it….how retarded is that? Especially with what they get paid in the WEC…its not like the winner get 500k like liddell does…unless they told marshall…if you through this fight, we will then release u from your contract and you can go up to the UFC….but how good would that make him look by getting ko’d in less than 2 min by a guy who was entering his sixth fight?
dont worry…i dont think you are as dumb as the guy who posted before you…seriously…sherk and randy suck?? He knows nothing about fighting… whats sherk….35-2??? yea…HORRIBLE…randy… the ufc champ (until he loses, he still technically is the champ…in my eyes atleast)… its like saying….Lebron…Kobe…SUCK
You are out of your mind if you think marshall would have a shot at Bisping or any other contender in the 185 lb division. Marshall is nothing more than a brawler. His striking is subpar and so is his grappling. Which is why he was dominated by Stann.
Second of all, how in the hell does military training make Stann a better fighter than Liddell, or anyone else for that matter. I wasn’t aware that being in the military makes you a top notch fighter or does anything for your fight game. I thought military training revolved around defending your country, not cage fighting, but I could be wrong. And if you have never seen anyone so dominant before, then maybe you should check out this guy by the name of Anderson Silva.
Im not out of mind…Marshall COULD beat Bisping.. why does that make me sound crazy? You are out of your mind if you think it could happen.. then again, im sure you knew Serra would beat GSP and Jardine would beat Liddell…you’re right..im wrong….what am i thinking for thinking anyone has a shot at beating anyone…
And second of all…all I said is that he was in the military…and i know about their training… so what im saying is that he is a tough SOB, i did NOT say he was a better fighter..please read before you go off idiot…i believe my quote was he could fight with the best of them…meaning he can hold his own….i did not say he would beat anyone he faced….if you would continue to read you would see i would put money on rampage beating him, but said he would be a better fight than forrest…….do you guys read or do you just jump to conclusions?
And yes, Anderson Silva is dominant…but thats a different dominant…where yes he is usually in full control and will either knock you out or submit you……the dominance im talking about is that Stann has been in 6….SIX fights…not 1 has made it out of the 1st round…all KO’s… so thats a different dominance….and just so we are clear….if those 2 fought, i would pick silva…
I just like how i’m not AS dumb as the other guy. thanks for that, dick. i also like how when you argue that someone COULD do something, it’s cool, but when i say something COULD be the case (marshall throwing the fight) then I’m not AS dumb as the other guy. and for the record, Sherk sucks, most of his wins are lame ass decisions. he’s got no skills. he had franca mounted like 90% of that fight and couldn’t do anything.
Jason N Randy suck cause he is a lier and Sherk sucks cause his fight are hard to watch. Sherk takes people down and just lays on top of them…just winning doesn’t make you a great fighter. Sherk has a better record then GSP but GSP kick his ass.
As for Stann being mor dominant then Anderson Silva…yes stann has KO everyone in the 1st but it’s in the WEC…I think Silva’s 6 wins in a row over leben, franklin, lutter, marquardt, franklin again and henderson are more impressive the 6 Stann has. Anderson Silva is Dominant over the best fighter in his wight class in the world nor some dude who is more of a bouncer then fighter.
PS Bisping, Sherk and Randy still suck!!!
Records don’t tell the whole story. Who has Sherk really beat?? So what if he takes a guy down? What does he do with the guy? NOTHING! He lays on him and throws a punch here and there. Did you not watch him against Florian or against Franca? He’s afraid of those jiu-jitsu guys. Franca kept sweeping him and Florian his hips moving. All Sherk could do was hold them down. Not too impressive in my opinion. Again, my opinion.
Let’s not forget who he’s facing next. BJ is going to give him a BJJ clinic. He can’t expect to do that to Penn, who is an aggressive BJJ practitioner. I’m expecting Sherk to shoot in and have a hard time taking Penn down, just like GSP did.
Sherk sucks!!
As far as Stann being more dominant that Silva, I have to disagree with you. Name another fighter that takes a guy and beats them at their own game in the same fashion that The Spider does? Stann was probably given the fight just to as a patriotic act. Stann is the same type of dominant as Liddell where they give him cans to fight in order to make highlights.
I guess I’ll jump on the bandwagon and say that Bisping sucks!
damn ya’ll everyone has their own opinion.. cant knock someone for what they think.
For instance I think Stann is all power no skill.. if you look at that fight he didn’t dominate marshall they where both throwin bombs back and forth it just so happens stann’s last shot floored marshall.. On top of that it’s the UFC who above 145 is even truly a credible fighter? Chael Sonnen is the closest thing.. ( paulo is overrated) Marshall is a brawler but he has WAY more skill then Stann at this point in his career.
eddyr-sucks, you are a bigger retard than I thought, so Randy sucks because he lied. Ha Ha so you suck to right, as if you’ve never lied, also it’s spelled liar not lier. Let me get this straight if you win you’re not better than the loser. How dumb is that? Do you honestly think that the ufc has all the good fighters, and nobody outside the ufc could beat them. If so then, well I need a different word than retard, you’ve been one of those enough. Sylva came in dominant, also I guess you think the ufc made these tuf guys fighters in 6 weeks, get real. You may actually be dumber than you look. As for as Marshall if he’s second rate because he got caught, well the ufc must make Chuck a better fighter even though he’s got caught. He was pounding Stan until he got caught. The ufc’s current champs came from somewhere else, so think before you write, if your able.
can we all just agree that bisping is probably a power bottom. seriously, the guy loves dick in him.
wow…boss…i didnt think there would be another voice of reason….thanks for joining the convo..
and to all who still cant read a post… wtf?!?! Seriously…Did I say Stann was MORE DOMINANT than Silva?!?! Bc if I did, please show me… bc if I am not mistaken…I said he was a DIFFERENT kind of Dominant…meaning Silva doesnt knock out the guys he faces within 2-3 min of the 1st round in all of his fights… he wins…in a different dominating way….does that mean stann is more or less?? no…it JUST MEANS DIFFERENT…seriously.. is this jr high hour or what?
People can say Sherk sucks…thats fine… but has anyone else heard the whole saying….a win is a win??? Like saying…the giants won the superbowl in an ugly fashion…WHO CARES.. they still have a W in the column…thats all that matters…who cares if Sherk Doesnt dominate like Silva…or makes it look impressive like a GSP or a young Hughes…he still wins….I think he will beat Penn….and yes, I am in the minority in that…but thats fine….
And as for the DUMB statements…look…you need to realize…that the statements you made were irrelevant to throwing a fight….2 of your examples were..your last one I agreed with.. anyone here would agree with me that just because he didnt look at him in the face off and was talking to him during that fight means nothing to the fact of throwing it or not….bc when talking, which I still cant see…..he just looked like he was impressed with Stann’s power.. but when he hit the ground, yet it looked like he wanted to show people he was out…then he came to…then was out again all of a sudden…that looked fishy which i agreed with you….not the other 2 statements..
Alright guys…stop arguing…its getting old… UFC is losing its grip on the MMA world a bit.. meaning…WEC has some good talent… Elite is gaining talent…and other markets are building stars too…..true, they may all wind up at the UFC which in my mind is still the best….but just bc they arent labeled a UFC fighter doesnt mean they couldnt challenge a UFC fighter..
and yes…Bisping sucks…
Marshall and Stann are pretty much one dimensional fighters. Anyone who does not have a ground game in their arsenol has not evolved into a true mixed martial arts fighter. If you guys cant see the difference between the top notch WEC fighters and the top notch UFC contenders then that is pathetic. To say that Sherk, Bisping and Cotoure suck while Stann and Marshall are great fighters is completely senseless. The best of the WEC are comparable to the middle of the pack in UFC, which would be a Bisping.
“yea, most would disagree and say chuck is better…blah…well Stann was trained in the military, so he can fight with the best of them” You talk about irrelevant information, the previous statement is about as irrelevant as it gets. You just made the statement that because Stann trains in the military that he can fight with the best of them and implied he could beat Liddel. The military in no way, shape or form makes you a better mixed martial arts fighter. You’re an ass.
Jason N, misquoting yourself and then calling the other person an idiot is impressive. Just as impressive as knocking someone for presenting irrelevant information and then doing it in the next post. You truly are a windowlicker. Being a “tough SOB” will only get you past the sub par division of your weight class. To ever even be considered a well rounded fighter, Stann and Marshall are going to have to do something other than “be tough” and throw lots of haymakers. Neither of those guys should get any more credibility than Kimbo Slice. Not that they couldn’t improve, because I think Stann does have potential, but as his game stands now he is simply a tough military brawler who holds 6 first round victories over nobodies.
Again….please read and UNDERSTAND what you are reading before becoming a tough guy on here…
Did I say that Marshall and Stann could be the top condenders in the UFC?? hmmm….lets see what I said…
“As for them moving up….Marshall could move to 185 and beat the likes of Bisping, McCarthy… etc…but would get rocked by silva, franklin, etc…Stann could make some noise in the 205 division….if he could avoid people taking him down, then there is no one who could match up with his power”
So from that, you think I am saying Marshall could beat the top guys like Silva…and Stann would beat the top guys like Rampage..Chuck..etc.. hmmm…yes, I guess I am a windowlicker, or whatever the 12 yr olds are saying now a days…. Learn to read man…I said Marshall could beat the lesser guys…middle of the road guys in the 185 division…that is not far fetched…and Stann would make noise in the 205….does that mean he will beat EVERYONE?!?! no…it means what I said….if he avoids the take downs like Chuck seems to do every fight… and he stands with whoever he fights…then he has a fighters chance and beating whoever because the guy has immense power in his hands…and whether you are in UFC, WEC, etc…you cant teach power…..
And yes the military doesnt make you a better MMA fighter, but it makes you a better fighter… it trains you in self defense, stamina, etc… those are key aspects of the game…but he will need more to be the best….but regardless..i didnt say he would beat chuck….but what I am saying is that anyone can beat anyone….someone can get lucky with a punch…did you see chonan vs anderson silva in pride? He got lucky with some leg sweep he tried to do, but look like a “broken play” where some how he got Silva’s leg and made him tap….would that happen if they fought again today? I doubt it…but you never know….and of course the other classics in Serra beating GSP, Jardine beating Chuck…hell…Forrest beating Shogun….
Sitting here and calling me names, fine..do what you gotta do….but if you want to sit here and argue with me and say that there is NO WAY so and so could beat so and so….then you are off your rocker…and very ignorant….
There is also a chance that Hulk Hogan could join the UFC and rule the heavyweight division. I mean he could climb the cage and drop a flying elbow on Cotoure’s head knocking him unconscious,it could happen. Of course any crazy scenarios “could” happen, no **** genious. The point is, and was, that it is about as likely to happen as the Hulk being the champ. So what is the point of bothering to state the ridiculously unlikely scenarios? Or making generalized statements like “Stann would stirr up some noise” for that matter? It seems like you just want to “talk fighting” without any facts or knowledge to back it up. Then at the same time you jump down 2 girls 1 cups throat for doing the same thing…speculating; and to compound it you misquote yourself and then call me the idiot. Pull your head out of your ass or shut the hell up.
how bout you do the same because you just used a comparison of fake wrestling to real fighting.. you are just plain ignorant and have no point in commenting on the topic….to say someone who trains IN THE SAME sport as someone else doesnt have a chance to beat that person is dumb… and i said not starring at someone or talking to him doesnt mean he threw the fight…if thats jumping down someones throat, then my bad…ill speak nicer if that helps……
all in all…i have an open mind about fighting where as you dont….you are the type who thinks ufc is #1 and any fighter not in the ufc has no shot….fine man, think that way…thats cool… not everyone is supposed to agree…im trying to shed light that there are top fighters elsewhere.. but keep calling me an idiot for thinking so….but take your advice….pull your head out of your ass man….
but if you want to continue to go back and forth, thats fine…personally its getting old…i have better things to talk about or worry about… but keep bringing your watergun to a gun fight… keep saying im dumb for thinking marshall and stann have the tools and the potential to do something in the ufc…
seriously…people like you make me laugh… you dont factor in ****….you just go off of BIG names and think..there is no way it happens…and all that is fine and dandy…but they have to make a name for themselves sometime….lets talk in a yr…if Stann is not dominating…whether wec, ufc, elite…whatever….if he is a flash in the pan, then I will bow down and say you are right….i am wrong….but if he is still dominating and even moves up and wins in the ufc.. then maybe you will just need to educate yourself before you speak….have a great weekend…breath and relax….these are just opinions… AS YES was 2girls on his flop thing.. next topic…
Dan, no offense but if throwing haymakers makes you a sud par fighter then Chuck is sub par. That’s all he does. Have you ever seen Chuck with a ground game? Yet he was very dominant with only punches and a take down defense. The only way you’ll beat Stann is on the ground (my opinion) and we don’t know if he has a ground game since he’s never been there. I agree you need a ground game to survive in mma, if for no other reason than giving you a place to go if losing at your own game, but the reason guys are now learning stand up is because take down defense has became it’s own art, and as important as any other style. This has been facts and knowledge if not show me where I have been wrong.
Only thing I will say…chuck was a top wrestler in college and we never see him on the ground bc he has an AMAZING sprawl/take down defense… Stann…I dont know either….i bet he is ok on the ground, but like in the case of Lesnar…if he faces a black belt in BJJ or something similar.. he may be in for a long night…. but yea, they have to get him on the ground 1st…and his power is unreal…I love watching him fight…not sure who else there is for him in the WEC….thats why I hope he moves up!
Hey Jason N. the reason I said that about Chuck was first on the ground he has been dominated, second Chuck was a bull and still is with nothing but punches and a sprawl. Some of these guys who post have no idea what knowledge is. They have always said the ufc has the best fighters and everyone else was below, however three of the current champs and one interim just came in and beat the ufc’s best. So that argument really really has no ground to stand on, it’s kinda like standing on quicksand and saying you will not sink (dumb).
exactly….and i havent seen chuck on the ground much, i always see people try….and i remember being surprised when he was shooting on Wanderlei .. bc thats not typically chuck…
Yea it is funny when hearing people talk about that too…look at Anderson Silva…he has walked through UFC and he is a pride guy… the best in that class in the UFC was DOMINATED twice by him..
In Stann’s case, he would be coming into a divison that is STACKED…and he would prob lose to a few…but he could hold his own too I think…also, I wonder how much the size difference in the octagon would play in…since the UFC seems to be twice as big as WEC.. but saying that is about the same as pride guys saying its diff…which in some aspects is true.. my biggest pet peeve with rings is when they get to the edge and the ref has them stop, go to the middle and get back in the same positions and fight again…lame…
agreed.
Marshall was definitely hurt bad by the left hook, but I felt like it was a quick stoppage. I’m not saying that Marshall wouldn’t have came back and won, but who knows what would have happened had he been given a little bit more of an opportunity.
Never the less, Stann is the Champ, and the WEC is probably better off for it. Stann is by far the more marketable fighter. He’s an exmarine with a silver star, and an all american story of being an ex-war vet and what not and he’s younger with movie star looks and physique. The WEC now has a new face of the promotion! They just have to find some legit competition to valid him as top fighter in the sport!
I never said that UFC is the best. Until recently, I would say Pride was the best. Now that many fighters have moved to the UFC I would say that UFC is on top, pride second and WEC a distant third. Anyone who knows anything about fighting wouldnt even try to claim that WEC is on the same level as the UFC, it’s not and that is fact. The WEC is a baby compared to the other two, so you can’t even expect it to be. As for them not having any decent fighters, I never said that either. I said that there elite is comparable to the middle of the pack in the UFC. Chuck Liddell does have an unorthxdox punching style; but it is far above the level that Stann’s, and especially Marshall’s, is at. Stann doesn’t have the experience, take down defense, wrestling skills, timing or accuracy of Liddel and he is still light years ahead of Marshall. He is the one who you originally said would basically be able to walk in to the 185 lb division and start taking people out( Bisping and McCarthy)
I’ll say it again, you are out of your mind if you think Marshall would be able to walk into the middle of the pack and start beating people. The guy rushes people like a bull throwing wild haymakers and has no other aspect to his game. Stann is slightly more accurate with his punches and more controlled. You even went as far as to give Stann a title shot against Rampage over Forrest Griffin. You are going to compare either to a Bisping, Liddell or Griffin? You are comparing two newbies who haven’t beaten anyone credible to guys who are well rounded fighters with established names. That’s a complete joke.Boss you can back up Jason all you want, that just makes both of you idiots.
Holy Crap!!! You know, the fact you disagree with me on things and call me an idiot…is fine by me, commical actually…..but what seriously annoys me is when you cant read then put words in my mouth….holy crap…again….you are an idiot for not reading…period!!
I DID NOT SAY MARSHALL WOULD WALK THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE PACK….please re-read… and copy and paste my quotes if you would like…hell…i will do that for you..
“Marshall could move to 185 and beat the likes of Bisping, McCarthy… etc…but would get rocked by silva, franklin, etc…”
Now, lets go to school here dan….What is the keyword in that statement?? Could it be the word…COULD??? I think so….did I say he WOULD beat the likes??? i said he COULD beat the likes of….a little different…
and am i missing something? pride still exists? to my knowledge they sold to ufc…and their fighters are in the ufc….and if thats true, how can you rank pride over some other companies now? How can you not put WEC up in the top ranks? Urijah Faber, Jens Pulver, Carlos Condit, Paulo Fihlo, Stann, etc….these are great fighters… sure, if in the UFC…would lose to the top top guys, but could beat people too…these guys would do very well in Elite, strike force, etc.. no, i do not think they are as good as the ufc fighters, but they are 2nd best I think…
And all I said about the title…was that it would be more interesting…and possibly a better fight with Stann vs Rampage…I DID NOT say he deserves a title shot or should get a title shot…
Boss is not backing me as a person, he is backing facts and truth about the sport…if he disagrees with me…he will speak it…
good god, i think this is the most comments i’ve ever seen on a topic. Jason N, I still don’t agree with you about the “non factors” or whatever you called them because my point was that the whole thing was fishy. I never said that because a fighter doesn’t stare someone down, he’s gonna throw the fight. I said that it was out of the norm for marshall to be acting that way and combined with the other things i mentioned, it played into my theory. but i’ll call a truce since we both agree that bisping is gay.
one of you said that all chuck does is throw haymakers? wtf? he’s a counter striker, he hits hard and he’s really accurate. he’s not some dude like marshall or stan that just bulls forward hoping to connect. Forgive me if this was covered in the later comments cuz i stopped reading after like the 5923th response, but if it wasn’t addressed, you should give chuck alot more credit as a striker. as for his ground game, it could probably use work but if his take down defense is so great, is it really worth his time trying to learn how to submit guys?
I still say WEC is the 2nd best out there, i’m not sure that PRIDE is even doing anything anymore and Elite is a joke. not just cuz they’re getting a bunch of has beens, but the overall production value is horrible. WEC is getting better and with the featherweights, they have a good niche market going.
First of all, check where the word “could” is located in that quote. You didn’t say marshall ” could” beat Bisping, which implies there is a chance of beating him. You said that he “could” move to 185 and after doing so will beat Bisping. That is the way your sentence reads so dont get mad at me because you dont have a grasp on the English language. That means that you think it is likely. I will reiterate; if you dont think his chance is legit, and you made a simple slip up in your wording, then why not throw every other unlikely scenario in there. Once again, you misquoted yourself and then called me the idiot. Slap yourself twice for me. I can read, and I have been right both times so you are now an even bigger idiot than the first time you misquoted yourself.
What you said about the Stann- Rampage title fight of the century is equally as stupid every time you post it, so no need to do it again.
The little statement you made about Stann vs. Rampage being a better match up implies several things. You think Stann is a better fighter than Griffin(absurd) and you think Stann would be a good match against Rampage(even more absurd). Or wait, were you just saying that you think there is a chance it could be a better matchup because you inserted the word “possibly.” (I hope you got the sarcasm because you missed it with the Hulk Hogan analogy) So, you either think Stann has a legit chance to win, or stating unlikely scenarios is a hobby of yours. Either way, you’re an idiot.
So where are these facts and truths that the Boss is backing you on?? Because all I see is you stating a bunch of ridiculous scenarios in which newbies “could” “possibly” take out some top ranked fighters and then b**** at others for their ridiculous speculations about rigged fights. Yeah, it ” could” happen and Pam Anderson “could” be my wife. I hope you get the point this time captain obvious.
Man are we still talking about this? who i didn’t think a wec fight would bring out so much heat…ps well you know who i think suck
you ready for this 2girls???…
I agree….
All I will say on the 3 factors…IF marshall normally doesnt stare people down and normally doesnt say anything to his opponent while fighting, then I will agree with you….and admit that maybe i read you wrong….i was just saying that if you said bc he did those 2 things it was fishy along with the flop…
whatever…its over with….bisping is gay…
“Chuck Liddell does have an unorthxdox punching style; but it is far above the level that Stann’s, and especially Marshall’s, is at. Stann doesn’t have the experience, take down defense, wrestling skills, timing or accuracy of Liddel and he is still light years ahead of Marshall. ” It was said by me, but good point anyway. It’s obvoius to some people, but not others
Dan, not only did you look stupid when you said if anyone knows anything about fighting, you also said pride still exist. That’s not even funny that’s down right stupid. Those two facts of yours are gone and wrong. You also said Stann was not as accurate as Chuck please study before you write. Just this week it was posted that Stann’s percentage of punches that landed was somewhere between 70 and 80 percent, while others averaged in the 30s. Glad to know with those facts you can rate the 2. You also probably think Forrest deserves a title shot thats a joke. He could not handle Jardine’s power (who I like) but he can handle Stann’s. sometimes you feel like a nut, and sometimes you don’t. you should feel like a nut. Because when it comes to knowledge your out matched, research before you predict it helps to know what your talking about. Eddyr-92806 you are way better to debate with, Dan is completely off his rocker.
stann - rampage fight of the century…hmm… well thats your quote not mine…..and thank you for assuming things….about how i obviously think that bc i would rather have stann vs rampage than forrest….implys i think stann is a better fighter and that stann has a better chance…assumptions gets you no where….
I said that would be a better fight bc of the fighting styles…..Stann is a banger…more explosive than forrest…does that mean he is better than forrest and that he could beat forrest?? nooooooo….so please dont reply saying im an idiot bc i think stann is the best ever fighter in the world….retard…
all im saying is that would be more of an exciting fight bc i dont think forrest has the punching power to end this fight with 1 shot…nor the strength to overwhelm rampage so i think he will destroy forrest…….where as, i think stann has the punching power to end it and has the power to rush rampage…..does that mean i think he would beat him?!?! no….but it would make for a more INTERESTING fight….fighting styles makes fights…diff contrasts…..forrest ir more of a well rounded fighter is good at strikes, is decent on the ground, sprawling, etc… stann has more power….so thats why i want to see that….
Man i like this Dan guy…All he needs to do is say that bisping suck
“Eddyr-92806 you are way better to debate with, Dan is completely off his rocker.” -The Boss
what the hell?!?! did you just say something nice about me The Boss? I take it back, you don’t suck as much as bisping
by the way dan you not be able to read because quote Marshall could move to 185 and beat the likes of Bisping, McCarthy….etc….. Look before you react comment #5 read it.
Woah I never said Bisping was great, but still way ahead of Marshall or Stann. Yeah, Stann lands 70-80 percent of his punches; when every fight is against a drooling retard who isn’t intelligent enough to side step and stands toe to toe with him, he is going to be able to land alot more punches. Also, have you taken into consideration the fact that that statistic is based on his matches which haven’t gone past the first round, while most others are based on 2,3,4, or 5 round matches. When fatigue sets in, accuracy decreases (don’t know if you knew that or not). There is some fact for you, b****.
Jason, don’t try to act like you now have some intelligent reasons, such as style match ups, for making the stupid comments about Stann fighting Rampage. You made them because you are all over Stann’s nuts because he was in a branch of the military and, obviously, so were you. You said he could bang with Liddell and would be a good match up against Rampage, both are ridiculous. That’s like saying UNC would be a good match up against the Celtics. Two entirely different levels.
oh yeah..No, Forrest Griffin does not deserve a shot against Rampage, but it “could” happen.
Boss, has english suddenly become your second language,” by the way dan you not be able to read because quote Marshall could move to 185 and beat the likes of Bisping, McCarthy….etc….. Look before you react comment #5 read it.” Me Dan, you idiot. Try some punctuation or something and I will try to make sense of that mess.
Dan how can you say that he is behind Chuck, when you’ve never seen his take down defense, wrestling skills, he is as accurate and has great timing. Have you ever been a marine? I have not but I have friends who have. They train hand to hand combat. I am sure they teach you that when your life depends on it you should let him put you on your back come on. Also Chuck fights by running trying not to get hit, Stann fights like his life depends on it every fight.
Are we still talking about this…i long for the good old days, when i would say that randy suck and the boss would call me an a-hole for saying that. Then i would make fun of him for not being funny…good times!
lets stop fight over some middle of the road wec guys and go back to the day were we talk about how sherk just lays on top of people and can’t finish the fight.
But we all know that bisping sucks
eddyr please, no one could suck as much as bisping.lol, As for Stann goin UFC, he seems like he has a good foundation going but not at all experienced enough to jump into a title shot. in my opinion, he’d need like at least 2-3 fights first coupled with some other contenders losing a fight. I’d like to see him vs houston alexander though. that would be exciting. One guy i would say is worthy of gettin a title shot from WEC is Sonnen. Two reasons, he’s pretty damn good and the 185ers in UFC are weak right now so there’s not a long line to stand in. I think that Fillo fight, although he made a mistake, wasn’t a good representation of his abilities since it goes down in the loss column. Plus, i like the skillset he has, he’d definetly be an underdog but stylistically i think he’d match up ok with silva. ultimately i don’t think anyone is gonna beat silva though unless they bring a gun to the fight.
That “running trying not to get hit thing” that Chuck does is also known as defensive strategy. It comes in handy in a fight. Once again, Stann has been fighting sub par fighters with none being on the striking level Griffin, Bisping or Liddell, which is what allows him to keep advancing like a pounding machine. If he fought someone like chuck, griffin or bisping he would be beat on and off the feet because they all have better technique. Power will only help you beat other fighters when their main tool is also, power. Technique and strategy are what rules. Gracie proved that a long time ago. Stann’s only strategy is to move forward and his technique revolves around powerful punches.
As far as the marine thing goes, one of my best friends is a third degree black belt in the marines and is in charge of hand to hand combat training. All you learn is some basic strategy. The training is not even close to as intense or fight specific as what an MMA fighter goes through. Marine training in no way improves anyone’s MMA game. If you think it makes you tough, I can’t argue with that, but eating lots of punches because you’re a tough marine won’t help you win fights.
2girls1cup???!! 185 pound weight division is weak??!! That is hands down the strongest division.
Dan, I am paralyzed chest down, without the use of my fingers. I left out the word must right after the you. That is exactly right he has never been out of the first round, so until you find somebody to take him there, don’t judge him. He would beat forrest, and he and Chuck are stand up fighters, both with 1 punch ko power and we know Chucks chin is not steel. He has just as much of a chance as chuck. Nobody gave Jardine a chance and he won. I didn’t say he would beat Chuck just has a punchers chance. Edyr-92806 I can’t stand Bisping, but these guys lay it on the line every time they fight. They stand a chance of getting a life changing so I try to respect them to a certain extent. plus people probably come on here to see what we say about each other.
oooh I love this…
“Also, have you taken into consideration the fact that that statistic is based on his matches which haven’t gone past the first round, while most others are based on 2,3,4, or 5 round matches. When fatigue sets in, accuracy decreases (don’t know if you knew that or not). There is some fact for you, b****.”
Well you see here dan…when you land 70-80% of your punches right away….there is no need for 2,3,4 or even 5th round…there is some facts for you…b****…….that just proves Stann is very powerful …to the point where opponents cant make it to a 2nd round or beyond….
Again Dan…remember what we said about assumptions? You think I am in the military for some reason bc i defended stann?? good try…but no….though my dad and friends were in Iraq fighting for our freedoms so dumb ****s like yourself can come on these boards and post your opinions…..have more respect for military…
and my tar heels would stomp the celtics….. oooohhh thats a joke…settle….but they will win the ncaa tourny…but again…there you go assuming the c’s = ufc and the heels = wec… like saying majors vs the minors….not all fighters in the wec are garbage and not all the ufc fighters are elite…
should have said life changing injury..sorry
and 2girls…as for saying Sonnen should get a title shot in the ufc…thats a BIG stretch… because he was in the UFC…look at his last 3 fights….he is 1-2…hence why he moved companies…he lost to Jeremy Horn..who is.. pretty much washed up….and sobral….babalou… who, is ok at best….and he beat some no namer…
also dan…i said stann’s match vs rampage would be interesting….bc of diff fighting styles… its ok though…that you still think its ridiculous to say a fight would be interesting… hey you know what…….can we make a new post and direct to Joel Silva and say…hey…can you step down from match making…and let Dan do it.. bc he knows it all about fighting and he knows when a guy doesnt stand a chance….i mean, i have his notes here…and under fights that should never happen because they are pointless… he has Serra/GSP…Jardine/Lidell…Forrest/Shogun… so if you could just go ahead and put a W in the win column for GSP, Chuck and shogun..that would be great…..bc they are a bigger name….Thanks Mr. Silva
I have all the repect in the world for guys that jump in the cage. I just didn’t like how randy handled the leaving the ufc thing…bisping was an a-hole after the hamill fight and sherk well i feel like he steal money from me every time i pay to watch him fight on a ppv. that’s why i say they suck.
The boss we should start a web site where you call me a a-hole and i say stuff like Randy Clit-ure sucks…man that would be nice…but could you not call me a retard…i may not spell well but i am not a retard
Agreed, your not a retard and I seriously say that. We could walk all over these guys with our own web site. your an a-hole by the way.
OH yea Randy rules.
PS dan silva has ran though almost all the best 185er in the world…Paulo is the only guy left and her is in rehab and in the same camp…185 is weak because the gap from the best guy to the next guy is huge!!! 155 is better in the ufc, 170 is better in the ufc and the 205 is better…you could say that the 185 weight class is better then hw but they are both pirty weak!
jason, again we must do battle, haha. to be honest i didn’t know chonnen was in ufc, but my opinion is still the same because in his last two fights he’s looked really good. maybe because he improved, maybe the competition isn’t as good, who knows. but a lot of people praise fillo and say he’s top 3 in the world for 185 and he got knocked out by sonnen.unfortunately, he regained consciousness and got a controversial call. so again, speaking for present day, sonnen has skills and my other part of the argument was that who else is there to fight anderson? i dunno if i’d give him a title shot as his first fight back in the ufc, but i’d say he’s alot closer to a shot than stann for the above mentioned reasons. and dan, you honestly think 185 is strong? i know it’s all a matter of opinion, but how can you really think that when the the talent in 155 is what it is. again, it’s opinion, but i’d have to rank from best to worst in the following order which i’m sure i’ll get **** for: 155, 205, 170, then it’s a toss up between heavy and 185.
lets do this b****!!! ha..jk..
well i think its a joke when people (”experts”) say filho is top 3…ive actually heard people say he is the BEST in his class….he wouldnt make 1 round vs silva…in MY opinion…and Sonnen beat an inexperienced guy wed night… im not knocking him…but he would need to beat a couple guys in the ufc b4 we give him a title shot…..as the same goes for Stann…I wouldnt give him a title shot either, he would need to beat a couple…like the winner of Jardine/Silva..then maybe the winner of Chuck and Rashad…
The 185er are weak right now but i would pay $100 just to a Silva v Silva fight…I don’t know if Wandi could cut to 185 any more but man that would be a great fight!
I think a GSP vs ANderson Silva would be a better fight….the way he dominated Hughes was impressive…and yes, hughes isnt the same anymore….but still…GSP could give silva a run for his money…sure as hell beats a silva vs roy jones fight!!
Yeah Jason N. gsp vs silva would be cool…i don’t know if it would be better…the silvas know each other from there chute boxe days…ps if this doesn’t make much sence i pirty drunk right now…you guys know who i think sucks
Jason, never said anything bad about the military. All I said is that it does nothing for your cagefighting. When you are being trained to fight in the military, they arent teaching you how to stand toe to toe with someone and trade blows are shoot in for the takedown. They are teaching you how to disarm someone or take them out by hitting vital organs. I wasn’t too far off when I guessed that you were in the military. I knew there must be some reason you were trying to show off your military pride. The reason is your dad is in the military.
You in no way meant that you wanted to see Rampage fight Stann because of their styles and you did imply,whether you want to admit or not, that Stann is a better fighter than Forrest. Which I’m sure you will now admit since your main crush the boss said it. “Stann was trained in the military, so he can fight with the best of them”…”that would be a way better fight bc forrest is not going to do crap” There you have it. Stann is a great fighter because he is in the military and he will give Rampage a better fight than Griffin. It’s pretty cut and dry. So, Stann who doesn’t have a single credible fight to his name, should be able to jump up to the top and give the best 205 lb fighter in the world a good fight. Right ok, I mean it “could” happen.
I dont think just because 185 has the best lb for lb fighter in the world at the top of their division, thus creating a big gap, makes the division weaker. It’s still an extremely talented division. Although, 155 is an extremely strong division and I could definitely see an argument for them. I spoke too soon when I said hands down.
Jason all I want you to do is admit that you b****ed at someone for making speculations and then did it yourself in the next paragraph, but even more so. Oh yeah, and that you’re a window licker. If you do that, the worst nightmare of yourlife can be over.
dan i agree that running thing chuck does is defensive strategy. it is called one of 2 things 1 you can’t take a punch or 2 scared to get punched. because if you say thats part of mma, then i want to know when they started teaching fighters to run from the guy they’re fighting. also stann is a better fighter than forrest any day any time.
The boss stann my become better the forrest one and problem will be he has more skills…but don’e count out forrest heart…i didn’t think he would get out of the 1st v shogun but he took it to him and made rua look like a guy that wasn’t really to be on tuf.
ps are we still talking about the wec?
The boss stann my become better the forrest one and problem will be he has more skills…but don’e count out forrest heart…i didn’t think he would get out of the 1st v shogun but he took it to him and made rua look like a guy that wasn’t really to be on tuf.
Eddy, no offense, but you really have to work on your spelling/grammar/punctuation. That was almost illegible.
never said stann was better than forrest…said stann’s style would make a more entertaining fight to watch than forrest’s style….some people are boring fighters and yet…just win.. where as some people are very exciting fighters and yet …lose…..so id rather see stann vs rampage….like id rather see houston alexander vs rampage….or thiago silva vs rampage….before i want to see a forrest rampage….and no, i dont think stann right now is better than forrest…but right now i do think thiago silva is better….as for alexander…he is about 1 step above stann……but maybe better than forrest…..he did beat jardine like drago beat apollo….and jardine beat forrest…so who knows